Mr. Fox

PM sent regarding 13900KS purchase.

I can't get TurboV Core to work on any version of Windows newer than LTSC 2019 (W10 Pro 1809). I don't get any BSOD on W10 21H2+ or W11, it just doesn't work (see my post above yours).

It only applies to the modern 3DMark Suite and Superposition. @Leeghoofdanswered this question for me a while back over here. You can disable ECC for the older benchmarks.

Does anyone know what BIOS version this was removed? I am running 13900KS on my Z790 Apex with BIOS 0904 and can't find it in the firmware. Edit: founding it using search function. It's disappointing there is no option to disable Intel ME in the BIOS like my Z690 Dark motherboard offers. Is there an XOC BIOS with the Intel ME disable options exposed? Is there a version of TurboV Core that works with later versions of Windows 10/11. I can't get the one posted on the first page to work and it has not worked on Z490 or Z690 except on older versions of Windows 10 and Windows 7. It starts off with "Can't open AsIO.sys !! (2)" and eventually opens an empty window.

I submitted quite a few, maybe a half dozen or so, on May 17 that show some solid points looking at the individual submissions, but they did not appear to calculate in my ranking and do not show up on the "Points" tab in my profile. Is something potentially broken, or should I request that a moderator recalculate my profile? If I look on the "Points" tab, the last points movement were my submissions dated April 3.

always testing :)

I forgot to enable ECC This submission should have points: https://hwbot.org/submission/5276042_mr._fox_3dmark___speed_way_geforce_rtx_4090_10760_marks? This submission should not. Please delete: https://hwbot.org/submission/5275595_mr._fox_3dmark___speed_way_geforce_rtx_4090_11176_marks

Dad gum... I sure wish I had $8.5K in discretionary funds available, but this hobby is getting too expensive. Living near Phoenix, pickup would be an easy weekend trip. GLWS.

I'm sorry you think $250 is lowballing for a bare motherboard that has none of its original parts and can't even be used properly in a normal PC. My intent was not to insult. Seemed like a reasonable offer to me. I apologize for bothering you.

Please check your PM.

I sent you a PM about this Apex. I am interested.

Thank you. I appreciate the clarification. Have a good week.

If the firmware is modded and they require signed firmware, you may have to flash it using the flash recovery method to bypass the signature verification.

It this expected for all 3D graphics benchmarks or only 3DMark? I ask because I see lots of submissions for things like Catzilla with ECC disabled and the only way to compete with them is to disable ECC. Are those with ECC disabled at risk for moderator deletion like the 3DMark submissions?

PM sent on the SP106 13900KS. Still available? What is the SP rating on the P and E cores individually? Do you know the MC SP rating?

All of my systems are multi-boot with multiple versions of Windows booting next to Linux because of the variance. The newer the OS is, the larger the payload of performance-killing telemetry and other worthless trash it will be packing. The greatest challenge we face as enthusiasts is interference from the Redmond Reprobates and their efforts to strongarm the world into doing things their way. Finding and modding drivers that allow you to use the best OS for the job has never been more difficult, and that is due to their deliberate efforts to manipulate outcomes and maintain control.

Yes, I ran that better one after posting. ? I think what happened with the bugged submission is that a TDR kicked off the ECC enablement. Since this is all driver/software based and not baked into the vBIOS the chances still exist for it. Otherwise, I would not know how to explain it being enabled in Control Panel and not actually enabled. Weird stuff... lots of bugs and glitches with the new tech.

Yes, I understand what the problem is. In fact, here is another twist. I just submitted a bugged run by mistake. NVIDIA Control Panel shows ECC is enabled, but GPU-Z shows a memory value that tells me it is NOT enabled. So, maybe a driver glitch. Please delete this. It should not have any points: https://hwbot.org/submission/5201294_ I rebooted and then ran another Firestrike right on its heels and this is a valid run. This one should stay. NVIDIA Control Panel AND CPU-Z both confirm ECC is enabled. This one should stay and get points. https://hwbot.org/submission/5201316_ (but it shows no points because my bugged run is stealing them).

What is being repeated? I don't understand. I merely offered a suggestion to provide an additional point of reference just as the CPU-Z and GPU-Z are required in screenshots for validation purposes. But, we still require them even though you can Photoshop them. I took your invitation to offer a suggestion seriously. Perhaps I should have just kept my idea to myself. I apologize if it was a point of frustration, but I appreciate you taking the time to respond. If NVIDIA had never added ECC as an option then we would not be having this a topic for discussion. It impairs performance on GPUs just as it does system memory with ECC. So does G-SYNC, which I also hate and always disable. And, bugged 3DMark scores have been a reality since the very first benchmark was made. I suspect that many submissions are bugged and the people submitting them, and those displaced by those scores, have no knowledge that they are. Cheaters are going to cheat. I can Photoshop almost anything if I want to go to enough effort. There is nothing to be gained by cheating, at least when it comes to submitting scores on the leaderboard. No money to be made or anything else of substance. Cheaters have to live with the knowledge they are actually losers and trashy human beings that don't deserve the air that they breathe. Unfortunately, those worthless bastards make us have to jump through hoops to foil their foolishness. Their nonsense creates division and controversy among people that should enjoy friendships built around the hobby they have in common.

A suggestion... if ECC enablement is required, perhaps also require NVIDIA Control Panel in the screenshot. I purchased a 4090 since this debacle started (received Friday) and all of my submissions have it enabled. I see many older submissions (before ECC checking was a thing) often with lower core and memory clocks than I am running with signficantly higher benchmark scores. If I disable ECC, I can match them, but don't see any point in uploading 3DMark runs only to have them deleted later. It is a shame that we have to gimp performance by having this enabled, but I suppose if everyone has to gimp their 4090 it will level the playing field. I have ECC disabled when I am not submitting scores for the leaderboard. I kind of wish the option was not even present in NVIDIA Control Panel. Example of my suggestion:

Thank you, @Leeghoofd. That explains why I was constantly having my account locked due to failed logins. It was getting to the point of seldom being able to access this community as a logged-in user. It happened to me again Sunday and again today. Inserting my email instead of user name solved the problem. The password reset email sometimes doesn't arrive. Is that a manual process that requires human intervention on the moderation side or automated? My impression is the former rather than the latter since the reset email is often never received until another password reset attempt is made on a different day.

That really stinks. If they are going to remove 4090 submissions, then they should just remove all of them across the board and make everyone start over rather than making arbitrary assumptions about which ones are legit and which ones are not. Example: https://hwbot.org/submission/5130021_splave_3dmark___time_spy_extreme_geforce_rtx_4090_21023_marks https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/83861241 Why is this still on the leaderboard and receiving points? But others are removed?

Hi bro. I think the point John was making is someone actually did to him what you keep saying will not be done. I think it happened to others as well. So, you are saying you're going to stop doing that now because doing so was a mistake, or you were not aware that had already taken place? Have a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.

Congratulations. That's pretty amazing.

Yeah, probably right. I hadn't thought of that, but now it makes sense. I love Catzilla, so that would be fine with me.