Mr. Fox

Neither of those seem to be downloadable. They are webp?

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Thank you, sir. Going to give it a run on my new Z490 Dark K|INGP|N mobo.

I haven't been able to find any 16GB x 2 kits in 4400+, so I will just stick with the excellent 8GB x 2 sticks I have now. There is so little water in most closed loops systems I think it heats up and normalizes fast as well. My system holds nearly a gallon and I have two 270mm reservoirs, three D5 pumps and a MO-RA 360 (360x360) radiator with 18 fans. It would eventually heat up when I was running the 7980XE with 5.2GHz all day, but it took a very long time. So far with the little 10900KF CPU I haven't really seen an increase in the water temperature, even after running it all day. It seems to stay close to the same temperature as when the system is turned off overnight. I should buy an in-line water temperature sensor to confirm that, but I am going off of what I see for idle temps in HWiNFO64. I'm guessing that is as good a measurement as any. Idle temps when I turn it on after sitting overnight are the same as idle temps after using the system for 8 to 10 hours.

The chiller cools this 10900KF like nobody's business. But, I don't actually need it except when I am pushing the CPU to the edge. Even running Cinebench R20 at 5.3GHz and no AVX offset and more than 1.500V the core max is around 75°C. But, I also have an exceptional cooling system without counting the chiller, so I doubt the temps would be even close to what they are if I were using a common 240/360 AIO like many people are using.

Mine is 63 Edit: Seems that 63 is the norm. Yours being slightly better that the run-of-the-mill 10900K/KF.

I am not sure what "SP" means.

I may if I can get it in 16GB x 2. This 8GB x 2 kit is doing well for me at the moment running at 4600, but I'd like to be back at 32GB again.

I had a couple of 32GB 4000MHz quad channel kits from my X299 Dark that I wanted to use, but I should have known better. Wishful thinking I suppose. So, I'm living with 16GB at 4600 instead.

@Falkentyne - Oddly enough, I didn't change anything that I can identify and now the Aorus Master has started working correctly again (not falling to 5.1GHz under load). Very weird. Makes me think there is something wrong with it, like a component that is glitching. Anyhoo, I flashed back to the stock BIOS. The Apex board should be arriving tomorrow to replace it. Here's a last hurrah for the Aorus Master. https://hwbot.org/submission/4538181_mr._fox_cinebench___r20_core_i9_10900kf_7195_marks https://hwbot.org/submission/4538175_mr._fox_cinebench___r15_core_i9_10900kf_2957_cb/ Profile attached for F5 BIOS in case anyone with this board wants to examine it. F5-55-49-4300

Yeah, basically Gigabyte's firmware sucks. I am going to RMA this. I've ordered an Apex board to replace it that should arrive on Wednesday. At least with the firmware on ASUS Maximum and Rampage series and the EVGA X299 Dark motherboards all of my commands are carried out explicitly as I enter them in the firmware. With the Gigabyte board, I essentially have to leave everything on "Auto" as far as advanced settings and pretend they do not exist, because using them causes malfunction. It makes no difference what BIOS version I use, the outcome is the same. One of the few settings that actually does what it is supposed to do is the gamer-boy multiplier field near the top of the Tweaker page. If I change anything with EIST, SpeedShift, core ratios, core ratio limits everything turns to crap and the CPU falls to 5.1GHz on all cores regardless what the multis are set to. Anyhow, this would be a really decent motherboard if I were a gamer, but I am not. Benching is my "game" LOL. So, I did get the voltage under control again using the KISS method and ignoring all of the BIOS options I would normally use. I just set LLC to "1" and set Fixed voltage to 1.400V get what you see in the screenshot. Nothing resembles what I set in the BIOS and none of my "commands" are followed. But, it's cool, stable and doesn't fall down to 5.1GHz under load. This will do until Wednesday. FYI - anyone using Windows 7 (I am multi-booting) and seeing the CPU stuck at 3.7GHz, use ThrottleStop to apply your BIOS settings. The "Set Multiplier" option should force the CPU to do what the BIOS is telling it to. (It sure sucks the way everything is geared for Windows 10 now. I understand why, but it doesn't make it suck any less. It is unfortunate that Windows 10 is such a pile of crap OS.)

OK, if that is how you are defeating SpeedStep that is exactly how I always do it. If I disable SpeedStep on the menu option to do so, then TurboBoost no longer functions and the CPU runs 3.7GHz regardless of what the multipliers are set at.

Thank you. Great info, as usual. So, what you're saying if I understand correctly, just ignore (even hide) all of the HWiNFO sensors mentioned above because they are meaningless except for "3) Die-sense reading (direct from VRM)" is that correct? If I disable SpeedStep my multipliers are ignored and the CPU runs at non-turbo only. Not sure if that is user error or what.

@Falkentyne - this is with the BIOS using fixed voltage set at 1.375V. I am almost thinking the voltage values reported are wrong. Look at how low the temps are. CPU-Z shows a reasonable value similar to what I have set in the BIOS, but HWiNFO and Core Temp both show an insane value. I'd like to ignore the HWiNFO info, but I don't want to kill this CPU if the information is accurate. I am wondering if the SVID is being reported erroneously (which I would normally disable, but don't see an option for that in this BIOS). The behavior is the same with stock BIOS F3, F5 and F6b and now with X4. How could my temps be this good if the voltage was really as high as what Core Temp and HWiNFO say it is? (I seriously doubt the voltage can be that high with the temps this low.) Here's what it shows in the BIOS. And, here is what HWiNFO and Core Temp are telling me. Edit: @Falkentyne - another discovery and question. It is normal for SpeedShift (not SpeedStep) to cause TurboBoost to be disabled if SpeedShift is disabled? Is that something new, or do I need to just return this motherboard and buy something different that actually functions correctly? This was my first-ever Gigabyte product and so far I'm extremely unimpressed with the firmware. I'm used to Asus and EVGA firmware, but I don't know if this nonsense I am seeing affects all Z490 or just this Aorus Master motherboard's firmware.

Sweet. Thanks, Brother @Falkentyne. I will investigate that further. I was about ready to send this board back to Amazon and try something different, so here's hoping I can get it under control. Great post of yours over at the Asus forums on Z390 tinkering. I was reading it around 3:00 AM trying to figure out what the heck is going wrong. It was running great and I lost my BIOS settings and now I am struggling to get the behavior back under control again at 5.5GHz. It's working perfect at 5.3, but I want my 5.5GHz "daily driver" settings back again. How is the Asus board you're using? Their BIOS has to be better than this. Does it have the ability to disable SVID? I am not finding that option on the Gigabyte board.

@Sparky's__Adventure and @Hicookie - thanks much. I just flashed X4 on my Aorus Master. Do you guys, or anyone else, have any suggestions on how to control the idle voltage. On my 10900KF the BIOS has voltage set a 1.452 (Fixed) but at idle in Windows it is well above 1.600V. What am I doing wrong?

This seems to be the new normal now. Far too frequent. The 'Bot just ain't what it used to be. Of course, it seems like everything "new and improved" is the exact opposite now.

Nice job. Second place (tied for first, congratulations). But, wonder why so few points awarded?

Same issue for me and the other two team captains on our team. I can view the team home page and the pages of HWBOT members that are not team captains, but cannot access my profile or the profiles of other team captains. However, if I authenticate with my user name and password, the team page produces the error in the second screen shot. I can only view the team page as an unauthenticated visitor.

Nice! Welcome to the team, bro.

Thanks for the kind words yesterday. You are posting some pretty amazing scores as well. Nice work.

Thank you! I appreciate the kind words.

@leeghoofd - thanks for the explanation. The fact that 1.91 validation is more difficult makes sense. I had not thought of that. I appreciate the reply. Now it doesn't rub me the wrong way. Take care.

I've never liked cropped screenshots, so this is not a change for me. I've never not updated to the latest version of CPU-Z, so again... not a change for me. But, I'd be lying if I didn't say I am not curious what the rationale is behind requiring CPU-Z 1.91 or later. What's up with that? I'm sure it wasn't just for giggles. Mind sharing why?

awesome job, bro