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I read in the news that Pieter is no longer to submissions moderation and so now thor and monstru are full of work. In that case, I'll wait for you to check all this, I only hope that the "evidences" will not disappear before you'll take a look.

I'm posting everything here because the first email I wrote on that subject, was dated "12 April" and it's a looooong time to check these results. I have no idea of what are you doing guys, it's so difficult to keep in touch with you. So, let's start with that two guys, Team Hardware Forest and Laurus&CoolerM: 8800 GTS 640 http://hwbot.org/community/submission/995978_team_hardware_forest_3dmark_2006_geforce_8800_gts_640_mb_16939_marks http://hwbot.org/community/submission/994732_laurus_3dmark_2006_geforce_8800_gts_640_mb_16935_marks As you can see, same frequencies, same score at 3dmark and the first screenshot is clearly photoshopped... I remember that we reported the result of the first guy, so the user deleted it and the next day there was that new photoshopped screenshot "improved". Global view, look at the two results at 3DMark2003... 45.949 and 45.945: http://hwbot.org/searchResults.do?direction=&applicationId=0&cpu=&numberOfProcessors=0&gpu=GeForce+8800+GTS+640+Mb&numberOfVideocards=0&manufacturer=&chipset=&model=&memManufacturer=&memType=&memProduct=&minCpuFreq=&maxCpuFreq=&minGpuCoreFreq=&maxGpuCoreFreq=&minGpuMemFreq=&maxGpuMemFreq=&minMemFreq=&maxMemFreq=&countryId=0&teamId=2321&userName=&minScore=&maxScore=&displayAdvanced=false&filterBlocked=&filterUser=&filterVerification=&imageAttached=&dateFrom=&dateUntil=&system=&minTotalPoints=&gpuId=1042&cpuId=0&chipsetId=0&modelId=0&manufacturerId=0&memManufacturerId=&memProductId=&memTypeId=&offset=0 SShot to avoid submission removal by them: ------------------------------------ 8800 GTS 512 Now look at that two screenshots, if you "play" them in sequence, you can do an animated gif, the second one is IDENTICAL, with only the fps details pasted on the original screenshot: even the score is pretty the same, 30.662 and 30.602... another photoshop. http://hwbot.org/community/submission/989636_team_hardware_forest_3dmark_2005_geforce_8800_gts_512_mb_30662_marks http://hwbot.org/community/submission/994723_laurus_3dmark_2005_geforce_8800_gts_512_mb_30602_marks Another problem is that the 30.602 guy forgot to submit the result to hwbot by photoshopping the frequencies on gpuz, in fact you can see that the submission has "1070" but the screenshot reports 1100. Speaking about 3DMark2005, same thing... Photoshop FTW! Team Hardware Forest: http://hwbot.org/community/submission/998573_team_hardware_forest_3dmark_2006_geforce_8800_gts_512_mb_19009_marks Laurus&CoolerM: http://hwbot.org/community/submission/994727_laurus_3dmark_2006_geforce_8800_gts_512_mb_19000_marks You see, the scores are identical because it's easier to photoshop only one number instead of the whole score of 5 digits :banana: So, no need to continue, here are the submissions with that videocard in the whole Team: http://hwbot.org/searchResults.do?direction=&applicationId=0&cpu=&numberOfProcessors=0&gpu=GeForce+8800+GTS+512+Mb&numberOfVideocards=1&manufacturer=&chipset=&model=&memManufacturer=&memType=&memProduct=&minCpuFreq=&maxCpuFreq=&minGpuCoreFreq=&maxGpuCoreFreq=&minGpuMemFreq=&maxGpuMemFreq=&minMemFreq=&maxMemFreq=&countryId=0&teamId=2321&userName=&minScore=&maxScore=&displayAdvanced=false&filterBlocked=&filterUser=&filterVerification=&imageAttached=&dateFrom=&dateUntil=&system=&minTotalPoints=&gpuId=1255&cpuId=0&chipsetId=0&modelId=0&manufacturerId=0&memManufacturerId=&memProductId=&memTypeId=&offset=0 SShot: ------------------------------------- 8800 GT Same situation: http://hwbot.org/searchResults.do?direction=&applicationId=0&cpu=&numberOfProcessors=0&gpu=GeForce+8800+GT+512+Mb&numberOfVideocards=0&manufacturer=&chipset=&model=&memManufacturer=&memType=&memProduct=&minCpuFreq=&maxCpuFreq=&minGpuCoreFreq=&maxGpuCoreFreq=&minGpuMemFreq=&maxGpuMemFreq=&minMemFreq=&maxMemFreq=&countryId=0&teamId=2321&userName=&minScore=&maxScore=&displayAdvanced=false&filterBlocked=&filterUser=&filterVerification=&imageAttached=&dateFrom=&dateUntil=&system=&minTotalPoints=&gpuId=1233&cpuId=0&chipsetId=0&modelId=0&manufacturerId=0&memManufacturerId=&memProductId=&memTypeId=&offset=0 40.076 and 40.070... quite suspect... looking at 3DM05, 30.190 and 30.099... 3DM06 17.599 and 17.593... These guys will have a future in photo-editing. Sshot: --------------------------------------- HD4870 With that videocard, as you can see for example crzdn and Giancarlo D'Urso have the same frequencies in different benchs. Another thing to point out is that they benched and submitted results in the same benchmark, so maybe or maybe not it's hardware sharing. http://hwbot.org/searchResults.do?direction=&applicationId=0&cpu=&numberOfProcessors=0&gpu=Radeon+HD+4870&numberOfVideocards=0&manufacturer=&chipset=&model=&memManufacturer=&memType=&memProduct=&minCpuFreq=&maxCpuFreq=&minGpuCoreFreq=&maxGpuCoreFreq=&minGpuMemFreq=&maxGpuMemFreq=&minMemFreq=&maxMemFreq=&countryId=0&teamId=2321&userName=&minScore=&maxScore=&displayAdvanced=false&filterBlocked=true&checkBox_filterBlocked=true&filterUser=false&filterVerification=&imageAttached=&dateFrom=&dateUntil=&system=&minTotalPoints=&gpuId=1361&cpuId=0&chipsetId=0&modelId=0&manufacturerId=0&memManufacturerId=&memProductId=&memTypeId=&offset=0 Sshot: --------------------------------------- HD5870 Here is a disaster... 3x Crossfire category: http://hwbot.org/searchResults.do?direction=&applicationId=0&cpu=&numberOfProcessors=0&gpu=Radeon+HD+5870&numberOfVideocards=3&manufacturer=&chipset=&model=&memManufacturer=&memType=&memProduct=&minCpuFreq=&maxCpuFreq=&minGpuCoreFreq=&maxGpuCoreFreq=&minGpuMemFreq=&maxGpuMemFreq=&minMemFreq=&maxMemFreq=&countryId=0&teamId=2321&userName=&minScore=&maxScore=&displayAdvanced=false&filterBlocked=&filterUser=false&filterVerification=&imageAttached=&dateFrom=&dateUntil=&system=&minTotalPoints=&gpuId=1587&cpuId=0&chipsetId=0&modelId=0&manufacturerId=0&memManufacturerId=&memProductId=&memTypeId=&offset=0 rsannino, giancarlo d'urso, voiager, montana79, coccus80, cnzdrn: each of them posted a result for example in 3dmark2003, each with 3x Cards, so they must have 18x 5870? Look at 3dmark06, rsannino, voiager and coccus80 even in that benchmark. Same thing for Vantage. Look also at the frequencies in different benchs for coccus80 and rsannino... 850/1200... Here is a screenshot, to avoid that them will delete the submissions: ---------------------------------- I think that there's no need to go on, I'm pretty sure that all those submissions are enough to take measures to avoid that a team like PC World OC can cheat in such an evident way... Feel free to search in my team scores, we have nothing to hide, in that case I would not have been so stupid to post everything here and wait for "attacks".

I didn't notice that topic before... I don't understand, I thought that it was allowed to have a personal account being also in an overclocking team, involving different people. So, when I have oc sessions using my hardware, I submit the results under "Iron" account... on the other hand, when me and the other 2 guys in the AOC team, have ln2 sessions, I usually submit using that account and not my personal one. When that thing of double posting happened in december was a little after we benched for the MSI competition (on socket 1156) so I uploaded results using the AOC account, then I forgot to logout and re-log with my personal one. Now Pieter you said that it's not allowed to have a personal account and being in a team also? Why? If we do not share points or hardware etc.. what's my mistake? Thanks!

Same thing happened to that user: http://hwbot.org/forum/showthread.php?t=6893 Thanks in advance! p.s.: in hwbot rankings my user name is "Iron" and not |ron... maybe could you rename my forum account so that both in the rankings and in the forum I'll appear as Iron?

Hi guys, we had an oc weekend on the 27/28 March... sorry for the delay in posting everything but it has been a very busy period with Easter holidays etc... So, let's first talk about what we were going to clock: - P4 631 "Alien"... the one who reached 8.185MHz back in 2007, doing the WR, recently beaten by Tin at 8200MHz - P4 641: never tried that cpu, just opened the box and threw it on the R.Extreme under LN2 - Giga UD7+i7-950. We used an Asus R.Extreme with the two P4s. So, we started with the 631... we reached 7,5GHz in no time, then it became difficult... after one hour or so, we finally got the always magic milestone: 8.025GHz. http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=1127285 Then we reached 8.085MHz but sadly the validation file resulted corrupted... even the validation at 8.070 failed We need to put the chipset under Liquid cooling or better, LN2... we think that the extra juice we need to reach again the WR, can be hidden in that... the X48 is very hot and needs to be cooled down. In the next session we'll see if we are right or we reached a wall of some kind at 8.085MHz! Then we moved on the 641... we reached 7,6GHz in half an hour, but suddendly the Pot Bracket broke! We managed to continue benching but the contact between ln2 pot and the cpu was compromised... so we stopped a little over 7,6GHz, as you can see here on HWbot: http://hwbot.org/hardware/processor/pentium_4_641?tab=2drankings The aim was to bring the first 641 over 8GHz, but with a broken bracket we posponed everything... Finally we mounted the Giga UD7 and the i7-950... with the bad bracket we were at -110°c in the pot and at 0°c on the cpu We just did some boot to see how the duo cpu/mobo appreciate or not the ln2... we got a POST at 5,3ghz, obviously freezed before entering in windows. We reached also in no time 235bclk... The UD7 is a very good mobo, for what we could see with that silly bracket... even the cpu is probably a good performer... Finally, a few pics of the weekend! Here we are: from left to right: Mafio, TheKing and me. 7ornado was behind the camera Under pressure (like the old good freddy said)... we were over 8GHz... A little juice to the CPU to see if the wall needed volts to be broken. Insulating the UD7 Our BigMama :asd: Giga, here we go!

oh, in that case I'm sorry, I didn't see it

Quoting myself in case you didn't read it

Don't know if that was already said, but in the old rev of Hwbot when you entered your profile, you had the first page that told you the changes in your results, for example if you were beaten by someone, loosing points etc... Is there a plan to re-introduce that feature?

nnnnnooooooooooooooo! then you missed your birth date even on hwproject!

you're growing strong and healty, keep goin' on :asd: :D :nana: Happy Birthday!

'grats Topalof, you kept the lead almost from the beginning, you deserved to win!

Hi rich, trust me if I say that my intent was not to see the winner disqualified, just my 2cents. Sure, if in the future you'll prevent that, I can do nothing but support your decision

Congrats to everybody involved in the competition, hwbot staff too But there's a thing I really hate, I must admit: what's the sense to post the results 1minute before the competition ends? It's not an ebay auction, I really don't see where is fair play. I'm not saying so because we didn't win (infact we were out of games a week ago), but I think that it's not the way to partecipate a competition. Maybe it's only my opinion, but I like to say what I think, always. See you in the next competition guys!

uhm... if I well remember the 1,3 was the originally mounted bios on the gd80... then we flashed the 1.5 official. In the last bench session we flashed the 1.5b8... same results with each bios.

We always used 1,3 or 1,35volts to pch, infact it was the most stable setting

We found that giving a VTT upper than 1,6 was resulting in a no-post situation... So, if I'm not mistaken, we were around 1,55, but we tried also upper to 1,6 and under that value Tried to go with 1core, 2cores, 4 cores and with every combination HT enabled or disabled... the better combination with either the gd80 adn 65 was 4core with HT enabled.

-80/-100 was an example to say that we tried everything between -30 and -100 with 2cpus and 2mobos...

We tried... we tried also to get in windows at -40° and then go down to -80/-100... nothing to do...

Hi Noxon, we have tried the two 860s on gd80 and even on gd65... the first one had a better Memory Controller (we did 2,4ghz 8-8-8-21 with ease) but probably due to a baaaad core, the whole thing didn't want to go higher than 5.400mhz under ln2. The second cpu did 5.529,96mhz under phase at cpuz, but no chance to bench with ram over 2ghz and you know, in benches like 32m and wPrime is all about ram. So... no decent scores and there's too little time remaining to do other tries. But, as always, it has been a good experience for all the team, benching at ln2 with a rig that we didn't know at all before... we enjoyed this competition p.s.: glad to see we're not the only team with silly problems in that contest

Jmke, we already did what was possible to do... about 60liters of ln2, hours at phase, 2 mobos and 2 cpus. This last 860 is muuuuch better than the first one (5266mhz under phase the first one, 5505 the second), but when we go with ln2, the whole thing screws up... and I'm not talking about -100°c, I'm saying that even at -40/-50 it's all unstable, crashes every 10seconds, ram that won't go up etc... There's only a week remaining, no time to buy other mobos, hoping in a better luck. That is what I mean when I say that we're "out of games", not that we didn't partecipate We do our best since the first day of contest @Pieter: I'm curious on how much will our 860 improve on a big bang... if not at the lucky draw, we will probably have one of these mobos by buying it, just to see were that cpu can reach. 5505 at SS phase is not bad at all... we have also a screen at 5529,96 (yes, 0,03 mhz less than coolaler ) but we didn't post it because we thought we could improve it saturday under ln2... we were wrong.

We, at hwproject.net, are out of games... we bought a gd80 and a gd65, both mobos aren't so good... the max score we achieved is 5505mhz on phase but when we talk about max 32m frequency it's a disaster. Both mobos are very unstable, they can't manage ram to go up... saturday we spent about 5hours on the gd80@ln2 but we didn't score nothing good to be posted.

Ok, thanks pieter!

I have a question guys: is it possible to post scores made time ago or we must post results obtained from 15nov to 13dec?

Here we are, Official discussion Topic on Hwproject.net: http://forum.hwproject.net/showthread.php?t=4410

interesting function, only visible by staff members of course