der8auer

There are pretty good solutions to avoid trouble on a marketplace but they all come along with a lot of work. The best solution I saw so far was on German forums where you had to email a copy of your ID card to a moderator to get access. They stored all the information so in case of a fraud they straight had access to personal information. Plus there were tough requirements like 100 postings and 6 months registered. Something like this makes it pretty safe and because they have to provide personal info nobody even tried to cheat.

Just a sales section on the forums. I would also set it as classified and I like IMOG's idea to use HWBoints.

All points and rankings should be disabled.

Well done my friend!

Yea I think that would be the best way.

@ Viss, Sam: I moved our discussion to a seperate topic http://hwbot.org/forum/showthread.php?t=55319

@ Sam: Yea that was the topic we talked about and he disagreed. But maybe we can change his opinion @ Viss: I know No problem. I preffer people saying straight if something is wrong so we can find a solution to make it better.

Yes I agree on this I opened the topic again - was already a year old anyway Will ask Massman to get a proper rule about the sales stuff.

I had a discussion about this with Massman. I'm not selling the stuff here on HWBot. I'm just "linking". Selling stuff directly in a topic is not allowed as we don't have a sales section here on HWBot - Sorry. Otherwise I would also sell my coolers directly here

I moved the postings from this topic: http://hwbot.org/forum/showthread.php?p=195470 The current rule is that it's not allowed to sell stuff just in the Offtopic-Section (as far as I know) What about a marketplace like on XS or other forums?

der8auer ECC is now officially selling GELID's thermal compound GC-Extreme Availability: 50+ in Stock

Because it was 2007 and now it's 2012. HWBot Revs changed and sharing has much less impact on the team rankings. With the HWBot rev4 we also changed the rules of punishment. Actually they admitted it in the end if I remember correctly. So these are two completely different incidents.

Because of submitting the wrong 32m score which did not belong to him.

I like the current system

@ John Lam: Appreciating your post! There will be consequences but the final decision has not been taken yet. Might follow during this day.

He sent pictures of the card (one of the last EVGA Superclocked ones) and it realy is a A3 core. So submission is okay! Thanks for the cooperation, sofos

Haha Masscat

Yes I'm not sure whether this is public yet but we have rules and also punishments depending on what happened. E.g. 6 months ban for faking screenshots. Thanks for this statement! I hope more people would think like that. My personal opinion is: I rather have one more "cheather" here on the bot than banning someone who could be innocent. Just imagine you would be in the position, getting accused but you're actually innocent. How would you feel? We'll only do something if there is 100% solid proof! And not only suspicion. Well I've got twice the same CPU (same batch) and both do max 6,75 GHz and max 6,64 GHz SuperPi32m stable at 1,84 Volt. If that's possible, why should it not be possible to get two CPUs which do 6,8 GHz 32m stable? http://hwbot.org/forum/showpost.php?p=179266&postcount=105 http://hwbot.org/forum/showpost.php?p=179294&postcount=108 Xtreme Addict also has the same batch and his CPU is running same clocks as mine. So in total these are 3 CPUs which are running exactly same clocks: http://hwbot.org/forum/showpost.php?p=179274&postcount=107

The witch-hunt in this topic is getting realy immature now... We investigated this case in the best way possible. We're checking in a neutral way what actually happened here. So let's start with some facts: - The results looks similar but we have absolutely 0 proof that sharing happened here! There is only a bunch of people here in this topic who obviously dislike John Lam and therefor want to see him getting banned. - Two CPUs with same frequency and voltage is possible! I have two CPUs with same batch and both do exactly 6,64 GHz Superpi32m stable at 1,84V. So it's surely possible to get two CPUs which would do 6,8 GHz. - HKPC showed on a livestream that they have several 7 GHz CPUs - They have almost unlimited access to several mainboards - They announced this goup benching days before and also which hardware/CPUs they will use Now look at these facts and use your brains. Surely it's possible that they shared hardware. Same like I could just give any of my 3770Ks to one of my team members. It's always possible. But if you expect us to do something we need solid proof and not just suspicious thinking!. We won't start baning people just because some of you dislike them. It's always good to keep your eyes open - don't get me wrong. But you guys should stay more neutral and rely to facts - not just guessing. In Germany we say: benefit of the doubt. And that's what we got here at the moment! To the first part: That's why HWBot invented the Pro-OC league. ES CPUs are allowed there for example. Who owns them? Exactly: Intel Second part: We're here for proof and facts. We won't start banning people because some other members dislike them.

Not benching yet but I guess this also counts Just got my 9800GTX+ ready with ePower!

Nice man

Well we won't start banning members straight just because some others ask for it - where would we end up with this? Also in the past HWBot never just banned people straight without any discussion. There are always internal discussions about how to react and of course the affected members have the chance to show their point of view. So please be patient until everything is investigated and we decided what to do. You'll hopefully understand that we can't do this within one day. But for sure we won't ignore this!

Hahaha This gif should be locked away forever

^^^^^^exactly that's the point. Calm down guys and wait a little bit We'll let you know as soon as there is something new.

Start overclocking: lack of FPS Start "real overclocking": HWBot