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Well, 4.5GHz at 1.25V is not bad for a 5960x CPU with 8 cores, so even the price is not exactly on the cheap... it will find the buyers IMHO. Sadly I could not afford it, not to mention I would need a mainboard & rams for it too, lol

No, just stoping of the CPU load... intesting for some, I believe. Some of the refreshbugs caused by not responding CPU-Z are visible... And of course, in the end score, there is the refreshbug again! http://img.hwbot.org/u8592/image_id_1496581.jpg And the score cannot be submited - just now. Just great!

I managed to run SuperPi 32M on P90 easily, but that is Socket 5/7 ... but on same mobo I get into very big troubles using AMD K5 PR75... So it is possible, but it is quite hard.

You had it right, I would beat that, if I had the time. I have to speed things up, so it finished just recently. But not I cannot submit the score...and it is still faster that yours (only 781h...) ... Well, I shuld have started sooner, lol Congratulations! As long, as the calculation is valid, no-one can complain!

When trying to submit the score for GPUPI 1b, I get this for second time: What should I do? Pavel

I see refreshbug...! Good to know, tha I'm not alone... but okay. Time to slowly end the run, lol

My nice little ATI Rage XL PCI card have no image! http://hwbot.org/hardware/videocard/rage_xl_pci/ That need to be fixed. This one looks exactly like mine card: So I propose this image to be used. Thanks

Much nicer, thanks!

ludek - so I made todays some memory info screens for you on WinNT, installed on the new shiny AMD K6-III+ CPU: http://valid.x86.fr/ljdyc2 (yes, that board can run FAST too It run like a wind with the 500MHz K3 with even L3 in use ) As you can see, a 9592k of memory usage with pagefile, 9580k memory usage w/o pagefile (there is still some optimaliztion that can be done, but it won't be much, I would say 0.5MB at the very best case, if I manage to change the properties of the last memory hungry service from the two ones left? HWbot competition on how overclockers can optimize their Win down to smallest memory usage will be fun ) Are you sure you want to repeat that for the WinXP? :D ...because I'm going for SuperPi 32M, so you have time to think about it

The lovely AMD K6-III+ 400MHz CPU have no image! http://hwbot.org/hardware/processor/k6_iii_plus_400mhz/ That need to be fixed. This one looks exactly like mine: Pls fix, thanks!

dont walk away

ludek - so sorry to hear this... I know how it suxx. Happen for me today as well... So I know how do you feel... Yes, there are: http://www.bleedinedge.com/forum/showthread.php?18301-Gotta-be-a-record-for-SuperPi-32M/page3

Interesting. Did you also used XOC=1 for todays validated subs? Classic... Must be quite stable sturdy board! That is actually a good sign. But to match Gradus speeds, you need to go thru plenty of Qimonda rams in order to get the possibility of 3-3-3-7 at 240+MHz ones And I doubt that it will be easy to get the board into such clocks w/o extreme mods I would stick with the Asus TUSL2-C, as TerraRaptor is using to these absolutelly stunning scores with SDRAMs! You can source it easily on eBay: http://www.ebay.com/itm/ASUS-TUSL2-C-motherboard-Intel-Tualatin-1-4GHz-512MB-memory-/281808235276?hash=item419d146b0c Please don't overvolt them. 2.5V polymers have at most 2.8V that they can take - for brief period of time (at least that is what Nichicon ones can take, but I never tried this...). Use 4V polymers, if you are planing to go bad a*s on the poor mobo, please

ludek - Very sorry to hear that. The work and attempts you put into this... stunning! And sad... Maybe you could get back to it one day - get a proper socket, flash the bios in other mobo and plug it back there and give it a try? I use BIOS Saviour for that. But I'm kinda surprised that such old mobo use such modern bios chip... My TXP4-X use the old, big bios chip... your one looks much more modern. What else this mobo have in sleeve? But... on the very same mobo I made this score: http://hwbot.org/submission/2978646_ So if the rams/mobo works fine at 83x1.5 P90, then why it should not work at 60x1.5 K5 PR75? We know, that the mobo and the overclock of the K5 PR75 is stable, because if it is not, then it will not made this score: http://hwbot.org/submission/2986787_ So I'm all for cleaning the contacts of my AMD K5 PR75 CPU, but it would be better if I can set the HDD right to use DMA in the first place. That would be much better start Of course a Vcore mod will be great. The mobo gives top 3.4V, witch I use. If I can get that to 3.6V, I have no doubt the AMD K5 PR75 will run at 99MHz (66x1.5). I already seen it almost finish the post at such settings... The mobo is mainly targeted for downclocking anyway, so there is not much need for excesive voltages Sure, 4.5V + TEC cooling easily "convince" any CPU for some overclock, yes But mine P90 run on ALL the FSB settings the mobo give - 7.14 - 50 - 55 - 60 - 66 - 75 - 83MHz So memory contacts are innocent there. Yep, WinXP did not allow 256colors. 16 or 32bit only (on some cards 24bit as well or - worser - only). Could be a bug in their drivers, as 16bit framebuffer obviously consume half of the memory for 32bit one. But I could try it... I told you, only ONE service is left running IIRC it is Remote Procedure Call (RPC). And that one could be disabled anyway... but to operate the services I must first start the Plug&Pray service Also I must manually end the userint process that is on when WinXP starts and later exit automatically... But 23.5MB of used ram is worth it, is not it? Yea, the Windows claim they are need, but they are not need in reality. That is like claiming that WFP is need. Of course it is not. And I'm much more proud on my work on the WinNT optimizing. I think that there is chance to get them under 10MB with 800 x 600 x 256colors screen WinNT are very tolerant. They - for example - use a little bit less ram and allow deleting the bmp screen logo, that are in background when you login. I really like system that can be tweaked to such extremes )) Only one question remain - will wPrime finally work on it, once I get it to be SP3...? Yes, page file is on But it will be IMHO even lower, when I turn it off... )))

Oh Never need such setting, as I mostly aim for benchable O/C... so that is the reason. Will it change to "validated" when "checked" or something...?

Nice one, ludek! I told you, recapping works! Now... why CPU-Z is complaining about the score? (reporting "unchecked") Looks within the realm of possibility to me, tough this is only CPU overclocking, the memory is not that well overclocked at 155MHz. Never the less, still pretty impressive!

That happens, lol. Congratulations for your WR, mate! ... Why you not deleted the score and repost it back under correct Cinebench? What you can do alone should not need to be done by admins... Or they will be doing nothing except fixing other people mistakes (and possibly introducing own to the mix...). ...the only way you cannot delete the score is, when you participated with the score in competitions, IIRC... Is this the case?

Windows 2000 run even the latest CPU-Z, so validation should not be a problem. For Win98se you need to dial back to CPU-Z 1.51. For WinNT 4.0 SP1 you need to dial back to CPU-Z 1.30. Also you can include programs like TSCWin and TestCPU, like I did: http://hwbot.org/submission/2978646_ PiFast does run on WinNT 4.0 SP1 w/o a glitch, but wPrime does not. It require the msvbvm60.dll library and that library, even in the oldest version, require the WinNT 4.0 SP3. Then it should work, but I did not yet get around to test that, but it is likely. W/O ActiveX (on for example highly optimized WinXP) you cannot install the CPU-Z libraries, but that it is. However, for a i386 / i486 systems I'm affraid I have bad news for wPrime. Current version 1.55 have a nasty bug, that prevent longer that 24h calculations to take place. It check for time and when the time "move back", then it write "Cheat detected" and stop the calculation. There is no known way for me to get around it. I just set the time to 0:01 and run the calculation. Unless it exceeds 24h (1024M on AMD K5 PR75 @ 90 is getting close with 17h 48min: http://hwbot.org/submission/2986787_ ), then all is fine. But it ignore the day, when it check if the time is not dialed back during the run, so unless your tests with wPrime is under 24h - OR - there is a fix for that, you have to strike wPrime from the test list, because I'm affraid that on i386 even 32M run could be over 24h... So, this is just something to be carefull off.

Massman - zeropluszero - First at all, the Engineering sample is always mentioned in the CPU-Z validation, for example: http://valid.canardpc.com/6cr7g9 "Type Engineering Sample" ...so with mantadory CPU-Z validation you will always have this information. As for the "mere mortals dont need to apply" comment, well, that is despondence. Yes, compared to first batches, the ES are usually a bit better, but not that much. This is not like you suggesting a difference between man and God (when we dwell into the superstitions). And compared to later batches are the ES mostly par to par or even worser that normal retail CPU's. This is not a situation back in 2000 or so, when there are P4 ES CPU's with unlocked multipliers given as promo to certain people and you simply cannot buy a P4 with free multiplicator. That was, of course, absolute and decisive advantage (IIRC the multi can be cranked all the way up to x50...) for overclocking. Now these ES are mostly overrated. Almost all of the "Golden" chips are from normal retail stock, just classic binning process...

PS. as expected, the K5 PR75 @ 90MHz crashed on the end: ...witch makes me wonder, if I go the right direction. To put long story short, I stabilized P90 @ up to 125MHz (more this board did not manage) for SuperPi 32M with PCI latency bump from default 32 to 42. So on AMD K5 PR75 I reacted similary, bumping the latency up and up... This crash was at 96, so I set 102... and even floppy drive have problems now. That got me thinking, if I did not do it entierly wrongly, so I try default 32 with the CF card and we see ... So I used the pause to check on the memory usage: 23.5MB it is: What do you say, ludek? And there is still possibility to shave some kBy... and I believe that the last running service is not need anyway, so... there is room for optimizing

Thank you, guys! Yep, finally I get the validation with correct CPU clock It need to disable DMI in ini file (DMI=0), as Franck suggested, and then it display the correct clock. I did also a little trick - I start first CPU-Z with DMI=0, then changed DMI to 1 to show the bios mobo correctly in the mainboard window There are all the images I took: http://s923.photobucket.com/user/ax2cz/library/10MHz?sort=3&page=1 ludek - Thanks, mate! Why remove the memory anyway? I'm happy to overcomed the 256MB limit of i430TX and I did not need to touch the rams at all now Unless I get better rams (hint: ram ranks makes difference), they stay there. I cannot get them to lower timings, so unless I get more SDRAMs with 2+ ranks, then these rams stay there See Aida64 report: http://depositfiles.com/files/o06t2paka ( http://www.mediafire.com/?8xub1mvfp868497 ) I believe I get notably lower. My WinNT (optimized by me) build is under 11MB even with 1024x768 res (256colors), but the WinXP build will be around 30MB or so... I will check that for you, when SuperPi 32M again crash on the cursed K5 at the end... )) Massman - Thanks! I believe I could get lower too... Well, I optimized the Win to the bone, so... hopefully I could get it even faster with the CF card W/O the keyboard mod it took nearly 21min, see the vid bellow. Dead Things - Indeed. 7.14MHz is possibility. Just get a Pentium Overdrive, force it to x1 multiplier and now the 7.14MHz will happen Should not be a problem... Also I use patched bios now, that support AMD K6 3+. These CPUs have software multiplier control. Only for DOS, yes, but one can create a boot selector with SetMul, where I set x2 multi and get 14.3MHz for AMD CPU. The only catch is - I lack the K6 3+ But maybe next year... RomanLV - Nope. What you see with the 12MHz crystal is mod to make input devices work, when the FSB is forced to REF/2 clocks, as the PLL chip support: http://www.vogons.org/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=42426&start=20 http://web.archive.org/web/20000919074447/http://www.icst.com/pdf/9169c-27.pdf ( http://uloz.to/xL5L3QiW/ics-9169-pdf ) I simply introduced my own clock to the PS/2 controller Holtek HT6542b, as it supports: http://www.alldatasheet.com/datasheet-pdf/pdf/64463/HOLTEK/HT6542B.html ...because that way it is not tied up to the FSB clock = mouse and keyboard works fine at 7.14MHz Sure the clock is correct and I can prove that to you very easily As you suggest - real clock + video. Could be done, if you did not see how I did it. The PLL chip ICS 9196 support the REF / 2 (FSB = reference clock (~14MHz) / 2) as you can see from the documentation. So, there you have it. And I seen 2MHz clock for CPU and there is a possibility on validation... but it will be tough Well, to convince you, there are problems, what S3 Trio3D have with 3.75MHz PCI bus: So it is not that easy. There you have a video from it: So it was not all peachy and easy... )) ludek - I told you so, Win2k is fine. Crazy. Nice try, tough. Can you match 7.14MHz...? Or 2MHz? That would be a challenge and I know I can do it

Thanks, great!

Guys, Asus Gryphon Z87 mobo have no picture: http://hwbot.org/hardware/motherboard/gryphon_z87/ That should not be the case, when there are plenty of pretty images of this nice little mobo: So a little nice image won't hurt

Duck and cover! What can be tied up to some solid structur, have tied up. Prepare... and hold on. Hopefully it don't cause much damage.

Well, if that does conform you a bit, then I tell you, that todays for the 4 or 5th time SuperPi 32M run crashed for me on the AMD K5 PR75 of mine at the end, when saving the score... I gut WinNT to bones to get good results, but it always crash at the end and I find no reliable way to restore the UDMA2 HDD access, witch is also key to speed. It is either 20MB/sec with little CPU usage (mind that this is K5 PR75 @ 90MHz, so not exactly fast CPU by any standards: http://postimg.org/image/qx7kmwknx/ ) or around 2MB/sec with 85+% of CPU usage. That suxx. Quess what impact that have on the score. ... So I sort of give up and try a XP run. While WinNT gives me under 1h per loop, WinXP need 1h 10+min per loop... and it probably crash again...