tiborrr Posted April 9, 2008 Posted April 9, 2008 Hi, i would like to address this issue about Bwanasoft. Although he is administrator of hwbot.org i think the rules should apply to all. All of his 3DMark2001SE results lack ORB link or at least (i consired it sufficient proof giving) opened details tab about each of the test. Results should be blocked due to insufficient proof of validity - it's easy to post result of another HW or edit the score with the simple MSPaint. In many cases there isn't even CPUz opened. To sum up once again, here are the results that lack proof: http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=648681 http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=684014 http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=720952 http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=720971 http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=716041 http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=720962 http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=720947 http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=652274 http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=716068 http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=720992 http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=657195 http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=720977 http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=716034 http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=653481 http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=670063 http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=622507 http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=690911 http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=616317 http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=691230 http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=690903 http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=690920 http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=657222 http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=691237 http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=716050 http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=658352 http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=654562 http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=721001 http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=624142 http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=670182 http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=678375 http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=630118 http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=678710 http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=716062 http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=663726 http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=622497 http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=657188 http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=686630 If there are rules, they should apply to everyone, administrators included. And if there is justice, these results will get blocked and/or deleted just like everyone's that doesn't comply to the rules. Greets, N.
ServerManiac Posted April 10, 2008 Posted April 10, 2008 I'm totally agree with you. Before this there was a huge story abou Bwana and his bugs. He was ablr to prove that his results are not drawn in photoshop and that this bugs were a result of VistaMizer and other system modificators. But what he had with Palomino CPU's angry me a lot. All his Palomino CPU results are drawn in Photoshop. There is a prove for this, ask NeoForce or Antimony. But Hwbot administration didn't ban Bwana. Maximum whar you couls get is to get those results deleted. Bwana will never be banned but he certainly must be banned.
Crew Turrican Posted April 10, 2008 Crew Posted April 10, 2008 give him a little time bros, it's 6.11 am in germany where he lives. maybe he is sleeping?
Crew Antinomy Posted April 10, 2008 Crew Posted April 10, 2008 richba5tard, what about the tons of results I reported on? There were obvious cheats in them. Especially the processor ones. No reaction, only discussion between the moders as I was said. But a usual user would be already banned. Like jigit as I remember, the same case. No - he wasn't an admin, the only difference as I see. I hope there were others.
tiborrr Posted April 10, 2008 Author Posted April 10, 2008 None of the scores are suspicious, they are in line with what to expect, just because the screenshot doesn't show 3D01 run's details, doesn't make the score a cheat. Oh really, so then anyonce can make 21st best 2001SE result (with around ~ 100k) with no results tab given & a photoshoped CPUz, GPUz or ATiTool/Rivatuner and nothing will be suspicious? Well maybe you should re-write rules. Just a combo box showing result isn't enough, where's the details about each and every test. It's too easy just to swap some numbers and make your result to the top of every (& especially hwbot rich) class. Looks like this HWBot is a more of a hoax every day. Yes, my results gets deleted because i didn't follow the rule that was introducted on 01.01.2008, although the bench took place before that date... Yeah, that sounds really fair. I've spent 16 straight hours benching, providing every proof and you just seem to delete it few months after. Get a grip, he's an admin, just say it... If there was any other user, he would get his results deleted.
tiborrr Posted April 10, 2008 Author Posted April 10, 2008 Richbastard, i was talking about QX9650 result that got deleted, not E8500. Jup, i guess i will stop using hwbot until the rule that forces people to show details tab in screenshot is applied. Once again, i would like to thank you for your good work & helping me with the team signature image. Bye, N.
tiborrr Posted April 10, 2008 Author Posted April 10, 2008 Probably due to suspection of result sharing, because Moonman had result with 6600GT & QX9650 with same clockspeeds. Those weren't the same GeForces, although platforms & even Windows installation is the same. We had some ideas about SLI'ing them with old modified drivers at that time. Anyway, it doesn't matter, i have improved my 6600GT results on a E8500 under SS, it can easily be deleted. That was really my last post. Greetings & good luck, N.
Massman Posted April 10, 2008 Posted April 10, 2008 Probably due to suspection of result sharing, because Moonman had result with 6600GT & QX9650 with same clockspeeds. Those weren't the same GeForces, although platforms & even Windows installation is the same. We had some ideas about SLI'ing them with old modified drivers at that time. Anyway, it doesn't matter, i have improved my 6600GT results on a E8500 under SS, it can easily be deleted. That was really my last post. Greetings & good luck, N. Did a quick search and found the score: 3Dmark 2001 - 41056 marks - 5126mhz - 610/630mhz was blocked for the following reason: Need more verification (benchmark resolution), so not because of hardware sharing.
gradus Posted April 11, 2008 Posted April 11, 2008 All his Palomino CPU results are drawn in Photoshop. It is normal. LOL.
Bwanasoft Posted April 12, 2008 Posted April 12, 2008 What´s up now ? Iss somebody here who want´s attack me because i block scores ??? 1. I never Paint any Screen. 2. I never Flash any Card like some other Guys. 3. I use only Free Edition, and when i use Pro or Advanced you can see the details. 4. Watch the Pics - 3DMark01 runs all seven test´s. 5. I´m Hardwarereseller and i have lot of Hardware from Customer or Friends. 6. I´m Cooling with Waterchiller and MACH II Single Stage ( i have three of them, but one iss killed at the moment ) 7. I buy exact Hardware to test it and then i Sell it ( For Points and found Flasher. 8. Watch my entries about Wprime - I lost over 40 Ones about this Rules. 9. All can come to me and bench my Hardware in my Basement - no Problem. 10 i have over 100 CPU´s diffrent Systems, 9 Mainboards - from old to new ( XFX 790 Ultra with DDR3 - thats stupid stuff for 3D Benches ) At Saturday i make Pics from Basement and stuff only for some Guys. Paniting 3DMark lool and the other Benches ? Read my Sig an you can read what i think about somebody. End of Discussion from me. I have never Cheat or Paint a Screen.
Bwanasoft Posted April 12, 2008 Posted April 12, 2008 I'm totally agree with you. Before this there was a huge story abou Bwana and his bugs. He was ablr to prove that his results are not drawn in photoshop and that this bugs were a result of VistaMizer and other system modificators. But what he had with Palomino CPU's angry me a lot. All his Palomino CPU results are drawn in Photoshop. There is a prove for this, ask NeoForce or Antimony. But Hwbot administration didn't ban Bwana. Maximum whar you couls get is to get those results deleted. Bwana will never be banned but he certainly must be banned. I say i go from hwbot - no Problem. but i bench more and then ?
Bwanasoft Posted April 12, 2008 Posted April 12, 2008 richba5tard, what about the tons of results I reported on? There were obvious cheats in them. Especially the processor ones.No reaction, only discussion between the moders as I was said. But a usual user would be already banned. Like jigit as I remember, the same case. No - he wasn't an admin, the only difference as I see. I hope there were others. Yes but iigtit paint screens i´m not.
Bwanasoft Posted April 12, 2008 Posted April 12, 2008 and Tiborr watch the screens 1. Version 1.58 2. Pic means Screenshot not Digicam Photo - loool 3. Watch the Popup Screen you need CPU-Z for settings of RAM ! I have it blocked only one say Wrong Version,when you have 1.55 used - i have it not blocked about missing RAM Settings. Ey and before you talk about Pics watch your entries no Resoluiton - no RAM Settings and you use Overall Edititon - this can blocked - when everybody says need more proof the blocked be Shure ! http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=716407 loool nasty http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=580472 loooooooooooooooooooooooooool
Bwanasoft Posted April 12, 2008 Posted April 12, 2008 I'm totally agree with you. Before this there was a huge story abou Bwana and his bugs. He was ablr to prove that his results are not drawn in photoshop and that this bugs were a result of VistaMizer and other system modificators. But what he had with Palomino CPU's angry me a lot. All his Palomino CPU results are drawn in Photoshop. There is a prove for this, ask NeoForce or Antimony. But Hwbot administration didn't ban Bwana. Maximum whar you couls get is to get those results deleted. Bwana will never be banned but he certainly must be banned. I give the admins signs about my Benches there more problem i had with the S462 Board i say delete i bench it new no problem before everyone talk bad about hwbotmoderators. This Problem where only on my old Epox Board Rev 1.0 - and with CPU Z Versions. Next Problem was the Dualscreen Bench PC ( Taskbar Issue ) More Aktive Windows ( Make a Video aout this ) Be Shure when i want to Fake a Screen i can to do it and you found o Mistake. I Know more about PC like someone here, I Build and sell Computers over 10 Years. But found nice Link and here for speciell Friends http://home.arcor.de/maennermagnet/bmp/ I hope i help and hwbot is out of discussion - be shure Jmke is the first who tell´s bann.
gradus Posted April 12, 2008 Posted April 12, 2008 Bwanasoft Your photos of processors justify nothing. This Problem where only on my old Epox Board Rev 1.0 - and with CPU Z Versions. WHAT?!? =-0 Yours Palomino have CPUID from Thoroughbred!!!! cpu-z 1.41 or mobo???!!!!?? Make validation with any of these processors. Example: http://www.hwbot.org/signature.img?iid=48264&thumb=false
Bwanasoft Posted April 12, 2008 Posted April 12, 2008 We don´t talk about CPU Benches that´s a, delete is b, benched long time before i stay as hwbotmoderator The problem is the combination of this, but this bench is delete and new benched with new board http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=697023 for example Mainboard EPOX 8 RDA3+ CPU MP 1700 Palomino 2,2 Volt diffrent version of CPU Z tell´s diffent CPU´s - and know ? CPU Z have bugs ! Not my problem ! That´s why i use every Time the newest version. I have Intern post CPU Z Valit Links - and i think moderators can say yes Bwana have more CPU´s than normaly. Many CPU`S are from Customer where i fixed the Computers, and i bech it for me ! If this not allowed than i Cheat ! http://www.hwbot.org/quickSearch.do?hardwareId=CPU_387 this CPU stay here for repair. Graka Killed. When it´s fixed goes back to Customer - Computer Works Fine and all be Happy ! Most of my S462 CPU´s are from a friend who works at AMD / Dresden, when he comes i ask about new Benches and i hope you can sleep than.
knopflerbruce Posted April 12, 2008 Posted April 12, 2008 Errrrr, I don't even get the problem with those scores. If you can see the score, gpu model, cpu model, resolution - and the score is what you expect from those clocks - why block the score? Sure, rules are there for a reason, but there must be room for honest mistakes. If the scores obviously were the result of a fair run - and no CRUCIAL information is missing (like gpu or cpu info) - then the score should be valid. Perhaps a note should be written to the owner of the scores so he can add the missing info in the screenshots he will amke in the future, but nothing more than that. PS: Bwana, how many CPUs do you have atm?
Bwanasoft Posted April 12, 2008 Posted April 12, 2008 PS: Bwana, how many CPUs do you have atm? think over 130 can count it but Problem at my apparment run 8 PC and 1 Laptop, at Basement my Server ant finished S462 - S775 - S775 AGP - S478. And my Chest Box, i count it. But no Score is Blocked - Tiborr means this scores are Painted !
Crew Sweet Posted April 13, 2008 Crew Posted April 13, 2008 sorry for the Off Topic think over 130 can count it but Problem at my apparment run 8 PC and 1 Laptop, at Basement my Server ant finished S462 - S775 - S775 AGP - S478. And my Chest Box, i count it. ! Bwanasoft, You are The Monster computer ...:ws:
gradus Posted April 13, 2008 Posted April 13, 2008 We don´t talk about CPU Benches that´s a, delete is b, benched long time before i stay as hwbotmoderator c, ban? What difference, was you a moderator or not? The problem is the combination of this, but this bench is delete and new benched with new board diffrent version of CPU Z tell´s diffent CPU´s - and know ? CPU Z have bugs ! Not my problem ! That´s why i use every Time the newest version. On how many I know cpu-z 1.41 has no problems with CPUID on palomino and 0.13 or 0.18um! no difference what mobo you bench. I have Intern post CPU Z Valit Links - and i think moderators can say yes Bwana have more CPU´s than normaly. show valid link whis palomino cpuid 681 and 0.13!!!!
Bwanasoft Posted April 13, 2008 Posted April 13, 2008 c, ban? What difference, was you a moderator or not? On how many I know cpu-z 1.41 has no problems with CPUID on palomino and 0.13 or 0.18um! no difference what mobo you bench. show valid link whis palomino cpuid 681 and 0.13!!!! somebody says i use my moderator status to fake benches, i come to hwbot team after this benches - but nobody off hwbot use status to fake benches - nobody. This benches are on Epox 8rda3+ with voltmod and modbios ( need for 2,2 Volt MACH Single Stage ) - goes only one Ram Bank rest killed. at the moment i have here http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=311707 http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=311706 http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=311704 what you mean is the bug at combination CPU Z - Mainboard But this is out of Discussion benches dekete and rebenched.
gradus Posted April 13, 2008 Posted April 13, 2008 This benches are on Epox 8rda3+ with voltmod and modbios ( need for 2,2 Volt MACH Single Stage ) - goes only one Ram Bank rest killed. at the moment i have here http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=311707 http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=311706 http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=311704 what you mean is the bug at combination CPU Z - Mainboard But this is out of Discussion benches dekete and rebenched. voltmod and bios will not give the processor cpuid from another core! where valid with 681&680 on palomino? rebench? you mean remspaint?!?!
Crew Antinomy Posted April 13, 2008 Crew Posted April 13, 2008 IMHO, no bugs can explain a 0,13um CPUID 681 Palomino, like Gradus said. If I see this screen with the combinations of three parameters. Only after that I will believe. Not a screen on my Photoshop projects, but validated by CPU-Z only. Yes, there are a number of minor bugs in CPU-Z but this is not a minor bug. At least the Palomino case is an approvement. Anyone show me a datasheet were a AMD 0,13um processor with CPUID681 will be called Palomino - I'll shut up. Not a handmade 'course. LOL
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