Mipmap cheated scores or not?

[S_A_V]

Please look at this scores by Ross (OC Forums) in GeForce 7900 GT category:

http://hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=739542

http://hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=739556

http://hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=739547

http://hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=739539

http://hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=739546

 

Quote from forum post http://www.ocforums.com/showpost.php?p=5642214

Not sure what the deal is, but ORB won't let me set this to public to get a comparo. I am posting it anyway

 

Yes, 3dmark03 don't let you to publish score if it's done with mipmap.

 

3dmark03 score more than 2k higher than normal, even for this high clocks on videocard.

Almost 40k GFX score in AM3 is also impossible with this clocks and without mipmap.

[demiurg]

I agree. Mipmap cheated results are banned.

[Massman]

Thanks S_A_V

[stealth]

I don't know if this is a problem between ORB and mipmap,you are more experience than me in 3D benches so you probably right but i can tell you what happen to me with the ORB.

 

I was runing PCMark05 basic edition and the ORB didn't want to let me publish the results and get a compare link to post in here.

 

I posted the problem in Futuremark forums but nobady knew what was the problem.

A guy in there ask me if the system is overvlocked and said that may the problem is that the system is overclocked far out of specks.

 

I said what is the point running PCMark on a non overclock it system and there is finished.

 

But this make me think that the problem was between the ORB and the overclock so i run a PCMark at stock speeds and the ORB allow me to publish it.

 

For a few days i was runing PCMark at stock speeds but the scores i was getting were...:p

 

The problem was between the CPU overclock and the ORB and the solution i found was that actually you have to set the overclock in Bios and boot in to windows,then the ORB will allow you to publish your score.

 

If you set the CPU clock even one(1)Mhz higher or lower,from the speed you set in Bios,with SetFSB or any other tweaking tool then the ORB won't allow you to publish the result.

 

I hope this helps someone.

 

stealth

[Dualist]

The problem was between the CPU overclock and the ORB and the solution i found was that actually you have to set the overclock in Bios and boot in to windows,then the ORB will allow you to publish your score.

 

If you set the CPU clock even one(1)Mhz higher or lower from the speed you set in Bios with SetFSB or any other tweaking tool then the ORB won't allow you to publish the result.

 

Really.? I can bump up my overclock in windows with setfsb and submit to ORB no problem, worked ok with my 01 score.

[stealth]

On what system,the system i was using at that time was a socket 478 and it will not allow me to publish PCMark05 results if i set the CPU clocks with SetFSB or any other tweak tool.

 

stealth

 

Edit:I don't have a problem to publish 3DMark scores and i can push the system as far i can with SetFSB and publish it,the problem only exists in PCMark05.

[Maxi]

Sorry guys, Ross didn't know mipmap wasn't allowed. He's going to re-run all these benches.

[Massman]

Great attitude !

[Maxi]

Of course

 

All benches re-run, he's gold again on all but '06

[S_A_V]

Nice scores, even without mipmap he can get 1st places.

Congrats Ross

[Astri]

what about this one?

http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=741578

 

im benching myself with a 8800 GTS and i know its impossible 1020 fps Nature without MipMap, check the others first scores guys. Omg, it screams "I USED MIPMAP!"

[demiurg]

The board of moderators has analysed this result and has recognized its legal and received without use of the forbidden tweaks.

For example http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=698991 - 1000+ fps in Nature without mipmap.

[Astri]

Ok guys, my next one will be over 1000 then :-)

[tiborrr]

what about this one?

http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=741578

 

im benching myself with a 8800 GTS and i know its impossible 1020 fps Nature without MipMap, check the others first scores guys. Omg, it screams "I USED MIPMAP!"

It's impossible to run 1000+ FPS on ~ 1050/1150 without MIPMAP tweak. Normal score should be around 910-915FPS at LOD 4.9 (optimal) and very high PCI-E bandwidth. This one is definitely fishy! Besides, check - OPB has NVHardPage shortcut in his tray

 

The only time i did 1000+ was with forced textures to low MIP level @ 1050/1150MHz.

 

It's funny how you make fun of people like they don't know the benchmark.

Edited June 2, 2008 by tiborrr

[Astri]

It's impossible to run 1000+ FPS on ~ 1050/1150 without MIPMAP tweak. Normal score should be around 910-915FPS at LOD 4.9 (optimal) and very high PCI-E bandwidth. This one is definitely fishy! Besides, check - OPB has NVHardPage shortcut in his tray

 

The only time i did 1000+ was with forced textures to low MIP level @ 1050/1150MHz.

 

It's funny how you make fun of people like they don't know the benchmark.

 

C'mon tiborrr, since 1000 fps is acceptable for hwbot, they will accept ours also

[tiborrr]

Fine for me then, expect 107k 8800GTS singlecard, LOL

[IllusioN]

.., this was a fun benchmark with only LOD.., now its just a matter of who´s got grip of the best cheats...

Hwbot is infected by this mipmap/hardpage BS.., I left gaming cuz of this.., haha.., what a joke.., guess I am to old... :-(

[Massman]

Astri and Tiborrr, expect to have people checking out your scores for MIPMAP tweaks soon enough. It's not because you can't make 1000FPS, that no one can. Apparently you guys are missing out on some stuff.

 

By the way, even if this was to joke around, I don't laugh. It only says to me that you have no respect whatsoever for the services HWBot provides.

 

Hipro's single 88gtx run: 1100FPS, no mipmap: http://service.futuremark.com/resultComparison.action?compareResultId=9318136&compareResultType=6

Youngpro did the same.

 

//Edit: just in case you wondered: we've asked very respected benchers out of this crew to give their opinion as well.

Edited June 3, 2008 by Massman

[tiborrr]

Hipro's has is an GTX, it has two more 64bit mem channels and 8 more ROP units!

 

I show no respect for the HWBot service? It seems your service is showing no respect for other benchers, treating them like they don't know the benchmark and stating "well, you're missing something out". There's no magical science in Nature.

 

C'mon.

[tiborrr]

I try to keep this debate on decent civil level. Two of us clearly provided evidence that's imposible to get 1000+ FPS without MIPMAP tweaking (yes, that's not only nvhardpage, but d3dtweaker aswell), you bluntly shut us both down stating the scores are within regulations.

 

Dear hwbot, they're not. Has any of you guys run 8800GTS 512MB @ e.g. 1050/1150MHz, IQ only affected by LOD and got more than 910-915FPS in nature (okay, nVidia 790i platform gets you 5-10FPS extra, but none of the guys in question is using nV790i)?

 

@rich: I've got outruned in many categories and never complained about it, but i hate when people do not provide enough validation. Hwbot.org is flooded with cheaters, it's hard to keep cool mind.

Edited June 3, 2008 by tiborrr

[hifiking]

Then ask the benchers to provide a Nature run with mipmap enabled. That will give them 100+ fps? I had to do so with my 8800GT's. And I do that every time I bench from now on.

[tiborrr]

Yeah, would really like to see 1100FPS Nature on 8800GTS G92

[Massman]

Yeah, would really like to see 1100FPS Nature on 8800GTS G92

 

Found YoungPro's run with MIPMAP, single GTS 512:

 

Nature: 1421FPS

[tiborrr]

:banana:

 

Link please?

[Massman]

 

Done with a Gigabyte X48, by the way.