Is cascade cooling considered extreme league?

[Mythical tech]

Is cascade cooling considered extreme league or apprentice? In the description of the extreme league "ready to battle each other with retail hardware and liquid nitrogen" where as Apprentice says "starting out with chilled water up to dry ice". Cascade is between dry ice and ln2 but in my opinion is a lot closer to dry ice.

[suzuki]

It can be even -180 on cascade ,lol :)).

[Leeghoofd]

Extreme for sure, just taking into account the costs too, Would be easy to beat all scores from Dice guys with a proper cascade...

[Mythical tech]

@suzuki that is amazing the coldest I have seen on here is a three stage that got down to - 150c idle. Do you know of any subs that use a cascade similar to THA? 

 

[suzuki]

From what @nachtfalke said to me, it can be done but it costs a lot. 

If it would really be in apprentice, someone would do it just to compete with ln2 cores.

 

Just a idea, my ss could bench at -70 idle and -68 load and i had no positive temperatures on light test and -64 on heavy benching with same negative temps.

[Mythical tech]

@suzuki I think that for modern platforms cascade is not as relevant as it was previously but for some older platforms it is almost on par with ln2. As for cost I got my cascade for less than a strong single stage. Though I do see why it isn't in the apprentice league. 

[Mythical tech]

@Leeghoofd so this is an odd one, if you used a cascade to cool a heat exchange for chilled water that would run -30 ish fluid temp would that still be considered chilled water?

[suzuki]

16 hours ago, Mythical tech said:

@suzuki I think that for modern platforms cascade is not as relevant as it was previously but for some older platforms it is almost on par with ln2. As for cost I got my cascade for less than a strong single stage. Though I do see why it isn't in the apprentice league. 

You have wrong type of cascade my friend.

Look at this, made on a 2 stage cascade.

https://hwbot.org/submission/3748411_nachtfalke_xtu_core_i9_7920x_4811_marks

 

The new type of evap does wonders in load.

[funsoul]

His cascade's real solid (he's got my NoL build) but it uses one of the older evaps since that's all we could find at the time. Temp is not the normal -100C for 2 stage but closer to -93C since NoL set it up for higher load handing. Who's got new and improved evaps these days?

[Mythical tech]

@suzuki what's wrong with my cascade? I don't think cascades are very relevant on modern 2d if you want to be competitive in the extreme league for globals due to almost all of the current gen cpus being able to run fullpot or have an extremely high heat load that will drow most cascades. I have been doing testing on my 1920x and ln 2 gained me about 400+ mhz over cascade. All that being said I think cascades do have their place and are amazing pieces of exipment that let people like me who don't have the money or easy access to ln2 to be able to bech for hours. 

 

 

[suzuki]

1 hour ago, funsoul said:

His cascade's real solid (he's got my NoL build) but it uses one of the older evaps since that's all we could find at the time. Temp is not the normal -100C for 2 stage but closer to -93C since NoL set it up for higher load handing. Who's got new and improved evaps these days?

Bartx has, or he used to have both the 54 mm design and the new 65mm monster for Hedt cpu’s.

mythical, you cannot put cascade in the same league as ss and dice, untill now there were many generations of cpus that bottomed out at -100/-120 degrees so on those cpu’s ln2 is equal with cascade.

[Mythical tech]

@suzuki I am not trying to put cascade into the same league, it is irrelevant to me due to also using ln2. I was simply unsure of what league it was considered because it did not fit into either description very well.

[Xevi]

Light Extreme ?

My x3 cascade´s + Single