Mandatory Systeminfo 5.55 Update and new benchmark rules for RTX40 series

[CrKos]

They're wrapping themselves up, they don't even know what the hell to invent. how do you do it now? Many in the top rankings would see positions torn apart, a big problem arises here. HWBOT at historic lows. LOL ?

[Leeghoofd]

[CrKos]

16 minutes ago, Leeghoofd said:

 

[Mr. Fox]

6 hours ago, Leeghoofd said:

@Mr. Foxanother perfect example https://hwbot.org/submission/5200989...   ECC on, ROFL

Are you guys slowly starting to understand now what we deal with each day...

Yes, I understand what the problem is.

In fact, here is another twist. I just submitted a bugged run by mistake. NVIDIA Control Panel shows ECC is enabled, but GPU-Z shows a memory value that tells me it is NOT enabled. So, maybe a driver glitch. Please delete this. It should not have any points: https://hwbot.org/submission/5201294_ 

I rebooted and then ran another Firestrike right on its heels and this is a valid run. This one should stay. NVIDIA Control Panel AND CPU-Z both confirm ECC is enabled. This one should stay and get points. 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5201316_ (but it shows no points because my bugged run is stealing them).

Edited February 13, 2023 by Mr. Fox

[Leeghoofd]

13 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Yes, I understand what the problem is.

In fact, here is another twist. I just submitted a bugged run by mistake. NVIDIA Control Panel shows ECC is enabled, but GPU-Z shows a memory value that tells me it is NOT enabled. So, maybe a driver glitch. Please delete this. It should not have any points: https://hwbot.org/submission/5201294_ 

I rebooted and then ran another Firestrike right on its heels and this is a valid run. This one should stay. NVIDIA Control Panel AND CPU-Z both confirm ECC is enabled. This one should stay and get points. 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5201316_ (but it shows no points because my bugged run is stealing them).

wel its simple if we spot 24GB it is out, bug or glitch or whatever you want to call it...

You have a better score:  https://hwbot.org/submission/5201360

[Mr. Fox]

7 hours ago, Leeghoofd said:

wel its simple if we spot 24GB it is out, bug or glitch or whatever you want to call it...

You have a better score:  https://hwbot.org/submission/5201360

Yes, I ran that better one after posting. ?

I think what happened with the bugged submission is that a TDR kicked off the ECC enablement. Since this is all driver/software based and not baked into the vBIOS the chances still exist for it. Otherwise, I would not know how to explain it being enabled in Control Panel and not actually enabled. Weird stuff... lots of bugs and glitches with the new tech.

Edited February 14, 2023 by Mr. Fox

[Johnksss]

So since the other thread got locked.... When are you going to start removing scores from the ranks? Are you starting with global ranks first? And can we be alerted to which benchmarks are on the chopping block first. Thanks. Because the 15th has pretty much came and went on that side of the world, so just wondering.

[Don_Dan]

2 hours ago, Johnksss said:

So since the other thread got locked.... When are you going to start removing scores from the ranks? Are you starting with global ranks first? And can we be alerted to which benchmarks are on the chopping block first. Thanks. Because the 15th has pretty much came and went on that side of the world, so just wondering.

It's already happening.

[Udet1916]

Well, my bugged score in Speedway that I also flagged for deletion still blocks my valid ECC enabled run: link: https://hwbot.org/submission/5201824_

When will this be fixed?

Best regards!

[Udet1916]

Thx for fixing! ?

One more left though, sorry for all the fuss!

https://hwbot.org/submission/5173687_udet1916_3dmark___time_spy_extreme_geforce_rtx_4090_18101_marks

I took a break from benching and did not recognize the change in rules regarding ECC - never had any visual artifacts and my scores were not near any LN2 or H2O stuff as far as I recognized, otherwise I would have reported immediately (just air cooling 4090 atm)

Edited February 15, 2023 by Udet1916

[Rauf]

One question regarding the ecc rule, many benchmarks seem to not require ecc. 3d11 and vantage give globals but don't need ecc, how come? Also many older benchmarks without globals don't need ecc, like heaven, 3d03, 3d05 etc. Shouldn't all 3d benchmarks have the same rules, i would assume bugged runs can happen in those benchmarks also?

Only exception would be gpu-pi as it does not involve memory at all and it actually checks that calculations are correct.

[Johnksss]

1 hour ago, Rauf said:

One question regarding the ecc rule, many benchmarks seem to not require ecc. 3d11 and vantage give globals but don't need ecc, how come? Also many older benchmarks without globals don't need ecc, like heaven, 3d03, 3d05 etc. Shouldn't all 3d benchmarks have the same rules, i would assume bugged runs can happen in those benchmarks also?

Only exception would be gpu-pi as it does not involve memory at all and it actually checks that calculations are correct.

Really good question there....

[Mr. Fox]

It this expected for all 3D graphics benchmarks or only 3DMark? I ask because I see lots of submissions for things like Catzilla with ECC disabled and the only way to compete with them is to disable ECC. Are those with ECC disabled at risk for moderator deletion like the 3DMark submissions?

[Leeghoofd]

We just imposed ECC in the 3DMark suite and the SuperPosition benchmarks (as they feature  build in detection) older legacy benchmarks are not taken into account...

[Mr. Fox]

6 hours ago, Leeghoofd said:

We just imposed ECC in the 3DMark suite and the SuperPosition benchmarks, older legacy benchmarks are not taken into account...

Thank you. I appreciate the clarification. Have a good week.