The_Overclocker Posted October 5, 2009 Author Posted October 5, 2009 Jesus Christ. I go away for a few days and all hell breaks loose. What a load of misinformation and total rubbish has been spouted. And for HWBot to jump on the bandwagon is ridiculous. I never actually asked HWBot to do the competition engine. They just did it. I let them do it. Even though it was never ready. As such I said I still required people to email submissions... all that mattered is that people did a benchmark and posted a score somewhere I could see it before a deadline. The HWBot engine never worked from the beginning and I never told anyone ever that they had to use it. Idiots said I organised this to promote the magazine are wrong too. I've spent ages on this, for no gain to myself at all. I only did it because a load of key overclockers and manufacturers asked me too. I only ask for a bit of support. This constant bickering about changing rules... they never changed once. Not once. All people needed to do is submit a benchmark by the end of the month and that's what most competitors did. All this moaning is utterly ridiculous and comes predominantly from people who aren't even competing. All the 'I told You So' idiots might be rejoicing but we're only two rounds in FFS. I expected more from HWBot frankly - not joining the mob. The engine doesn't work. That's why it's not being used. That's what I told you offline from the beginning. Nothing is good enough for many people.
K404 Posted October 5, 2009 Posted October 5, 2009 (edited) This constant bickering about changing rules... they never changed once. Not once. I disagree completely From The Overclocker magazine, Rule No.1: All kit must be retail spec and must be on sale by the end of each month. Did you mis-word the rule? The rule was adjusted to "pre-order" and "following month" AFTER the questionable result was made known (to the public anyway.) Apparently these boards are now shipping, or a small batch was shipped. Ironically, the only person whos been able to show a shipping receipt is a man who had ES to play with. Was the inclusion of not released hardware requested in advance of a score, or as an afterthought? Was the clearance given, knowing what the score+ hardware was? Did all the competitors and companies know in advance? Changing the wording of a rule can change the rule. What you meant to say might not have changed, but how did everyone respond to the first revision of the rule and how did everyone react to the alteration? Appearances are everything, Nick. Edited October 5, 2009 by K404
knopflerbruce Posted October 5, 2009 Posted October 5, 2009 Jesus Christ. I go away for a few days and all hell breaks loose. What a load of misinformation and total rubbish has been spouted. And for HWBot to jump on the bandwagon is ridiculous. I never actually asked HWBot to do the competition engine. They just did it. I let them do it. Even though it was never ready. As such I said I still required people to email submissions... all that mattered is that people did a benchmark and posted a score somewhere I could see it before a deadline. The HWBot engine never worked from the beginning and I never told anyone ever that they had to use it. Idiots said I organised this to promote the magazine are wrong too. I've spent ages on this, for no gain to myself at all. I only did it because a load of key overclockers and manufacturers asked me too. I only ask for a bit of support. This constant bickering about changing rules... they never changed once. Not once. All people needed to do is submit a benchmark by the end of the month and that's what most competitors did. All this moaning is utterly ridiculous and comes predominantly from people who aren't even competing. All the 'I told You So' idiots might be rejoicing but we're only two rounds in FFS. I expected more from HWBot frankly - not joining the mob. The engine doesn't work. That's why it's not being used. That's what I told you offline from the beginning. Nothing is good enough for many people. If you never asked us to do this, then what's all the whining about? You got what you asked for: no F1OC at HWBot, so you should be happy about the fact that it's removed. Most people are unhappy with parts of F1OC, why do you think we should act differently? As for the "HWBot not being ready"-argument... that's a load of crap, and you know it. Your microsite doesnt even have proof that the submissions were made before the deadline - which is much more important than PSU prices and stuff like that. If the system HWBot made wasn't good enough, I cant see that the excel style page is either.
sacha35 Posted October 5, 2009 Posted October 5, 2009 Rules setout by the overclocker at XS at the start Hi all, This contest has somewhat exploded in popularity, hence the information blackout while I've been sorting out websites, potential sponsors and the like. All teams are now confirmed... Republic of Overclockers Fr3ak giorgioprimo Team Biostar pt1t Boblemagnifique Team DFI Massman over@locker886 Team EVGA k|ngp|n AndreYang Team Gigabyte Hicookie DeDaL Team MSI Barron_Greenback Bustah Team Australia dinos22 Youngpro Team China Artkobe Victorwang Team Finland SF3D Sampsa Team Greece hipro5 gprhellas Team Indonesia Benny Ekky Team Russia NeoForce pofigist Team Tom's Hardware dragonx21 Hiwa Team USA FUGGER mikeguava Run order August 3DMark Vantage (Performance) September SuperPi 32M using a P55 motherboard October Highest FSB November 3DMark 06 using a motherboard's integrated graphics December SuperPi 8M with AMD processor (last three may change order if product launches deem it advantageous) Rules 1. Retail kit only. All products must be available to purchase by the public BY THE END of each month. 2. No liquid Helium. 3. No cheating. This is season one and intended to push all manner of boundaries and so rules are minimal. Tricking benchmarks as per HWBot rulings 3.0, 3.1 and 3.2 are the main offences - this is not a software programming contest. All results will be scrutinised openly on XS and HWBot and in obvious cheating cases, stewards will impose penalties as they see fit (penalty points most likely). Any changes that need to be brought in to these minimal rules will be added from season two. Submission guidelines Submissions should follow HWBot verification and screenshot guidelines - standard practice these days. Wallpaper will be supplied each month. You must also send a list showing the make and model of every component used: CPU, RAM, Hard Disk, Motherboard, PSU, Graphics card plus and additional kit like special daughter boards. This is essential as a main aim of this competition is to show the world 'what the fastest kit is' email submissions to: f1oc @ sproog .com Results Results for each test must be submitted by the end of each month with no exceptions allowed. No one but the organisers will see your results before this deadline, so feel free to send them in as you get them. Timezone is the International Time/Date Line: so GMT +12 hours. What Happens now We're sorting out a microsite at http://www.f1oc.org. This will become live at some point in August. It will coincide with a new issue of The Overclocker, which will formally announce the contest to the world. This will happen once we've tied up sponsorship and web design. There should be no reason to hold up the start for competitors. If, god forbid, we get some decent money in for season one, there will be prize money for winners. The main aim of season one, however, is to create a proof of concept competition with as many viewers as possible. Season Two can then be heavily commercialised with big prize money, marketing budgets and hopefully some money for the organisers, XS and HWBot! Remember, the focus of F1OC is to drive technology forward and show all tech enthusiasts which the is fastest kit in the world (whether they overclock or not). This should also be a great gateway for non-overclockers to learn about the sport and get involved. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Last edited by The_Overclocker; 08-14-2009 at 02:45 AM. Change of rules by the overclocker. This thread is for explaining the rules of F1OC. They have been basic up until now. But here they are clarified further. They will be tweaked as required in order to get them as perfect as possible by season two. Any changes will naturally be minor but potentially significant. Version 1.02 1. Retail kit only. All products must be available to purchase by the public BY THE END of each month. Products must be delivered by the end of the following month or the score will be withdrawn. (Note: this rule will change for season 2 when all products must be available to buy and use by all competitors by the start of each month). 2. No liquid Helium. 3. No cheating. This means no software to be used that manipulates the benchmark unfairly. Tricking benchmarks as per HWBot rulings 3.0, 3.1 and 3.2 are the main offences. 4. Each submission must have a screenshot AND validation. This does not apply for the SuperPi rounds where a screenshot with a valid SuperPi checksum, cpuz cpu and cpuz memory screens must be visible. All screenshots must use the F1OC wallpaper. All submissions are required by email until it is announced that the HWBot engine is working (this has been said privately many times - now everyone knows). 5. Deadline is end of the month, GST -12. (I believe it said GST +12 elsewhere... that was a typo... it hasn't affected anyone thus far, but people have asked for it to be clarified). All results will be scrutinised openly on XS and HWBot and in obvious cheating cases, stewards will impose penalties as they see fit (penalty points most likely). Further clarification - details needn't be posted until after the round. We don't expect you to show everyone your settings before the round finishes. That would be crazy. For any further clarifications, please post in this thread only. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Last edited by The_Overclocker; 10-02-2009 at 02:14 AM. Reason: Further clarification No one is going on at you for nothing Nick, the rules have changed all the way though right from the start of the F1OC. I say rules well what rules as far as I can see you have made many comments about following Hwbot rules, but in the last round these have been broken ( what has been done about this) there were some great achievements and I don't think anyone will forget the results but where they fair that is what you have to ask yourself and the overclocking community. All the guys have put a lot of work into this competition not just yourself so please stop winging on about how hard done by you are, just think of the guys that have had to buy many CPU's and the rest of the hardware to find things change at the last minute, how fair is that. Until things and rules are set in stone and kept to by a proper site like Hwbot that is tried and tested for some years now then what is the point as the goal post keeps moving every month. I am not bitter and twisted because I am not in this competition Nick you know why I pulled out and for the same reasons I have listed. All I have ever wanted is fair play for everyone and I can see this and many others can too.
AndreYang Posted October 5, 2009 Posted October 5, 2009 (edited) I disagree completely From The Overclocker magazine, Rule No.1: All kit must be retail spec and must be on sale by the end of each month. Did you mis-word the rule? The rule was adjusted to "pre-order" and "following month" AFTER the questionable result was made known (to the public anyway.) Apparently these boards are now shipping, or a small batch was shipped. Ironically, the only person whos been able to show a shipping receipt is a man who had ES to play with. Was the inclusion of not released hardware requested in advance of a score, or as an afterthought? Was the clearance given, knowing what the score+ hardware was? Did all the competitors and companies know in advance? Changing the wording of a rule can change the rule. What you meant to say might not have changed, but how did everyone respond to the first revision of the rule and how did everyone react to the alteration? Appearances are everything, Nick. I disagree with one point. Some guys receive mobos and gtx285s, not only me. Please check evga fourms. There are some pcs there. I can also show you full of retail boxes if you want. I help my Taiwanese friend order this mobo. My ES is from Taiwan EVGA. Why should I show you tracking number from EVGA USA? Edited October 5, 2009 by AndreYang
K404 Posted October 5, 2009 Posted October 5, 2009 (edited) Hey Andre.. fair point I should have said "willing to show" not able to show From an ultra-cynical POV, you showing proof of retail was a mute point as in theory, you can skip the queue and/or get advance on retail parts. Thats not an accusation towards either you or eVGA... it comes back to how things *could* look. I figured the first batch sold out really quick and theres a backlog. I was hoping eVGA had more inventory Just a general wish, nothing to do with F1 Edited October 5, 2009 by K404
dread77 Posted October 6, 2009 Posted October 6, 2009 @ The Overclocker... If XS and especially HWBot were unnecessary in F1OC, why did you ask for their help? Or it was maybe the prestigious weight that these sites carry and your magazine doesn’t??? I can understand that. Massman posted something about missing price tags in BOT’s engine, is this the reason that you are saying that the engine is not ready yet? You are getting upset calling people idiots, though you are saying that this is some kind of your contribution to the overclocking community. Well all those idiots asking for a fair competition IS THE OVERCLOCKING COMMUNITY, so please have some respect. Or at least you should treat people as customers, after all this is our actual relationship, you are an editor and we are your customers. Or isn’t it….? I would understand your frustration if all this fuss would come from people left out, but it’s coming from all over the place. Even participants are complaining, even Kingpin posted in XS that HWBot’s involvement in F1OC is necessary. So if you want to contribute to the overclocking community stop calling names and listen to them….Please
knopflerbruce Posted October 6, 2009 Posted October 6, 2009 He doesn't answer the "what's wrong with the HWBot-system"-questions as he knows there's nothing major missing;)
vasgto Posted October 6, 2009 Posted October 6, 2009 Don't know if my opinion really matters as I'm very new to all of this.... What's done is done.... Let's put it in the past. If anything can be salvaged.... GREAT. If not, learn from it. I LIKE HWBOT. I LIKE THE CONCEPT OF F10C. I LIKE THE OVERCLOCKER MAGAZINE, as a matter of fact I would pay for a subscription but lucky for all of us IT'S FREE! I thinks it's time to wrap up on all the bashing and find some way to get pro back on hwbot ... let's start a petition!
Praz Posted October 7, 2009 Posted October 7, 2009 I thinks it's time to wrap up on all the bashing and find some way to get pro back on hwbot ... let's start a petition! Why would HWBot even be needed for this competition? It seems pretty clear now that the correct method of submitting scores, regardless of where they are posted, is to wait to the last moment of the current round of competition. If this is the case a simple forum post somewhere will more then suffice. I'm not sure why anybody other then the competitors would be interested in an event with this type of structure but that's not our decision.
vasgto Posted October 7, 2009 Posted October 7, 2009 (edited) Why would HWBot even be needed for this competition? It seems pretty clear now that the correct method of submitting scores, regardless of where they are posted, is to wait to the last moment of the current round of competition. If this is the case a simple forum post somewhere will more then suffice. I'm not sure why anybody other then the competitors would be interested in an event with this type of structure but that's not our decision. This is a relatively easy question to answer... Are YOU going to receive the email? Are YOU going to have access to the time it was submitted? Obviously not. Since you, nor I are going to receive an email, then how is the integrity of the submissions going to be monitored? Okay, so maybe HWBot is not needed... BUT some form of "live submission site" should be required in which everyone (the overclocking community) can review the results. That's about as close as you can get to a spectator sport even if all the action is in the last 15 seconds of the competition.... Clearly this competition is very interesting (to everyone), otherwise you nor I would have wasted our time voicing our opinions Edited October 7, 2009 by vasgto grammar
Praz Posted October 7, 2009 Posted October 7, 2009 This is a relatively easy question to answer... Are YOU going to receive the email? Are YOU going to have access to the time it was submitted? Obviously not. Since you, nor I are going to receive an email, then how is the integrity of the submissions going to be monitored? Okay, so maybe HWBot is not needed... BUT some form of "live submission site" should be required in which everyone (the overclocking community) can review the results. That's about as close as you can get to a spectator sport even if all the action is in the last 15 seconds of the competition.... Clearly this competition is very interesting (to everyone), otherwise you nor I would have wasted our time voicing our opinions I think you misunderstood the intent of my post. I don't disagree with what you are saying. Nick has stated pretty clearly what he wants and expects. For the entries to be submitted at the last minute to him via email. If this is how it's going to be there is no need for anybody else or any other organization to be involved. Poor way to run something when the spectators are just as important then the competitors.
sacha35 Posted October 8, 2009 Posted October 8, 2009 Nick has stated pretty clearly what he wants and expects. For the entries to be submitted at the last minute to him via email. If this is how it's going to be there is no need for anybody else or any other organization to be involved. Poor way to run something when the spectators are just as important then the competitors. Not just the spectators but the sponsors as well, don't for get this manufacturers need live coverage of their products for this to work, giving the manufacturers just 5 seconds a month coverage is not good enough and they will stop support I my mind. The F1OC needs to be fully active thought the whole month showing what kit is used and results, this then leads to sales and recommendations of the products used, taking this away has no benefit what so every for the manufacture to receive 5seconds worth of coverage a month. But at the end of the day this F1OC needs to be done correctly with a fully automated system like Hwbot, without it who can say what or when results have been submitted or if they are legal, more work and input from the OC community needs to be put forward and a water tight competition put into action from everyone's comments, not someone who just wants to make a few $ for hosting the event.
Massman Posted October 8, 2009 Posted October 8, 2009 This time, I'll follow the lead of XS for once. Thread closed. This is what happens next month: - Submissions are sent in by mail - Scores will be unveiled at the end of the month on the F1-OC.org microsite - Discussion about the scores will follow afterwards
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