sacha35 Posted June 12, 2009 Share Posted June 12, 2009 I thought it was about country's Australia USA Greece Finland Tom’s Hardware ???????????????? China Indonesia Russia Team UK was a heated source of discussion. The simple reason it wasn't included for the first season was because all teams needed to have a BIG following for season 1. This comp is for all tech enthusiasts, not just overclockers. The line had to be drawn somewhere and that was it.. we need full industry support for this. Having been at Computex it's clear which countries are being focussed on for overclocking. You know above all that extreme overclocking in the UK is not a patch on other countries - purely in terms of popularity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massman Posted June 12, 2009 Share Posted June 12, 2009 Partially about countries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sacha35 Posted June 12, 2009 Share Posted June 12, 2009 I would have thought the best bet would to have had a qualifying round like the world cup so every person and countries gets the same chance as each other. But I guess it is all about money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dafridgie Posted June 12, 2009 Share Posted June 12, 2009 I'd like to suggest a change in format for the competition, why not have a qualifying round ? Something along the lines of this: Qualification round - open to all from all countries - widest audience have qualification round for 1 month or longer allow for a building of viral marketing opportunities building up to the actual competition itself Results submitted to HWBOT for the Specifc competition only and validated top 5/10/20 scores from each country to allow formation of country team or top 20/50/100 scores overall qualify for actual competition Competition round - run with the best from qualifying Why would this work ? I'm sure Hardware manufacturers would like the widest audience involved for both brand visibility and sales opportunities Everyone gets a chance to participate and attract more folks to be involved wider media coverage - small no - good interest, large No - higher and wider interest potentially into mainstream media - Hwbot team, would this be possible ? - maybe allow searching for a date submitted + specific comment included so these results can be filtered to show competition results only for a specific search? Dafridge [benchtec UK] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKarmakazi Posted June 12, 2009 Share Posted June 12, 2009 this idea is awesome! I really hope it gets off the ground and is well received. Then next time around an open qualifier will ensure no one feels left out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazx Posted June 12, 2009 Share Posted June 12, 2009 I'd like to suggest a change in format for the competition, why not have a qualifying round ? Something along the lines of this: Qualification round - open to all from all countries - widest audience have qualification round for 1 month or longer allow for a building of viral marketing opportunities building up to the actual competition itself Results submitted to HWBOT for the Specifc competition only and validated top 5/10/20 scores from each country to allow formation of country team or top 20/50/100 scores overall qualify for actual competition Competition round - run with the best from qualifying Why would this work ? I'm sure Hardware manufacturers would like the widest audience involved for both brand visibility and sales opportunities Everyone gets a chance to participate and attract more folks to be involved wider media coverage - small no - good interest, large No - higher and wider interest potentially into mainstream media - Hwbot team, would this be possible ? - maybe allow searching for a date submitted + specific comment included so these results can be filtered to show competition results only for a specific search? Dafridge [benchtec UK] this would be much better imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eva2000 Posted June 12, 2009 Share Posted June 12, 2009 Being neutral as possible, i too can't see why UK, Germany and France would be excluded when Australia is included ??? Speaking as a British born Chinese Australian - no bias here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predator Posted June 12, 2009 Share Posted June 12, 2009 I'd like to suggest a change in format for the competition, why not have a qualifying round ? Something along the lines of this: Qualification round - open to all from all countries - widest audience have qualification round for 1 month or longer allow for a building of viral marketing opportunities building up to the actual competition itself Results submitted to HWBOT for the Specifc competition only and validated top 5/10/20 scores from each country to allow formation of country team or top 20/50/100 scores overall qualify for actual competition Competition round - run with the best from qualifying Why would this work ? I'm sure Hardware manufacturers would like the widest audience involved for both brand visibility and sales opportunities Everyone gets a chance to participate and attract more folks to be involved wider media coverage - small no - good interest, large No - higher and wider interest potentially into mainstream media - Hwbot team, would this be possible ? - maybe allow searching for a date submitted + specific comment included so these results can be filtered to show competition results only for a specific search? Dafridge [benchtec UK] you nailed it down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooter.jay Posted June 12, 2009 Share Posted June 12, 2009 I'd like to suggest a change in format for the competition, why not have a qualifying round ? Something along the lines of this: Qualification round - open to all from all countries - widest audience have qualification round for 1 month or longer allow for a building of viral marketing opportunities building up to the actual competition itself Results submitted to HWBOT for the Specifc competition only and validated top 5/10/20 scores from each country to allow formation of country team or top 20/50/100 scores overall qualify for actual competition Competition round - run with the best from qualifying Why would this work ? I'm sure Hardware manufacturers would like the widest audience involved for both brand visibility and sales opportunities Everyone gets a chance to participate and attract more folks to be involved wider media coverage - small no - good interest, large No - higher and wider interest potentially into mainstream media - Hwbot team, would this be possible ? - maybe allow searching for a date submitted + specific comment included so these results can be filtered to show competition results only for a specific search? Dafridge [benchtec UK] I agree Steve best way then no one is left out and chosen for what has been achived. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crew Vivi Posted June 12, 2009 Crew Share Posted June 12, 2009 this looks freaking awesome and amazingly cool, but SA would never make this ;/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chispy Posted June 12, 2009 Share Posted June 12, 2009 (edited) Not exactly fair in my opinion as it looks like you guys have favoritism with some guys , be it friends or whoever rocks your boat , where are the French guys at ? The UK guys ? SA guys ? and so on... '' For season 1 all teams will be ''invitational only " Thats my opinion and view on this. Angelo. Edited June 12, 2009 by chispy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sacha35 Posted June 12, 2009 Share Posted June 12, 2009 imho he who organizes the contest has the last say; He who organizes the contest will also upset and antagonise a lot of Manufacturers and there marketing outlets thought the world as they all need to make sales as well. But hay what do I know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Overclocker Posted June 13, 2009 Author Share Posted June 13, 2009 I do question the guest team choices, but not out of explicit disrespect to any of them. This isnt just because the UK isnt involved so "boo-hoo not fair" wheres Germany and France? Are the Greek and Finnish markets really bigger? (genuine question, im not sniping) If you're focussing on the developed markets, isnt that just preaching to the converted? Germany will be part of Tom's Harware France is part of Team Biostar UK is probably now going to be all or part of Team MSI It's not about HWBot ranks, it's about being as commercial as possible and getting super star overclockers onboard that will capture the imagination of all tech enthusiasts and the industry alike. Otherwise, it's just another contest. There's a lot of toys flying out of prams here. As things stand there will be Union Jacks, German Flags, French Flags all on show - seeing as it's actually being discussed instead of people making assumptions. As it is, I think the main people objecting are the Brits (I'm English remember). And I think after discussing this should be ironed out. I fully expect season two will have a Team UK/Benchtec in it. Probably the same for Germany. As for The Overclocker selling out? The Magazine has always been about promoting overclocking and overclockers. As I've said before, We're not making any money out of this yet. If/When we do, so will the competitors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazx Posted June 13, 2009 Share Posted June 13, 2009 Germany will be part of Tom's HarwareFrance is part of Team Biostar UK is probably now going to be all or part of Team MSI It's not about HWBot ranks, it's about being as commercial as possible and getting super star overclockers onboard that will capture the imagination of all tech enthusiasts and the industry alike. Otherwise, it's just another contest. There's a lot of toys flying out of prams here. As things stand there will be Union Jacks, German Flags, French Flags all on show - seeing as it's actually being discussed instead of people making assumptions. As it is, I think the main people objecting are the Brits (I'm English remember). And I think after discussing this should be ironed out. I fully expect season two will have a Team UK/Benchtec in it. Probably the same for Germany. As for The Overclocker selling out? The Magazine has always been about promoting overclocking and overclockers. As I've said before, We're not making any money out of this yet. If/When we do, so will the competitors. lol I'm English remember your partner is australian nick just so we know who is pulling the strings when you were creeping from table to table in TW who were the one holding the knifes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Overclocker Posted June 13, 2009 Author Share Posted June 13, 2009 Here's a bit more info for those who don't understand. In order to do this for maximum commercial impact we need... The manufacturers ALL onboard FROM THE START. The key manufacturers are almost all based in Taiwan. I know many/most/probably all of the top product managers personally. They tell me who their most important markets are. They tell me that Australia sells more high-end motherboards than China and is a test bed for products for the USA/Europe quite often. It's a hugely important market. Team Australia is always at global live overclocking finals too. Always - they are very well known in Asia and incredibly popular there. Also note that many marketing people DON'T HAVE A CLUE WHAT HWBOT is. At all. I'm serious. They DO know who the overclockers are that win their live events and keep showing up in their countries. These are more important TO THEM than any other competition. Many manufacturers look on overclockers simply as gamers. I know, I deal with them all the time face to face. I am not saying I agree with it, but that is the way it is. Like it or not... the UK is a very minor market for most motherboard makers. They don't sell as many high-end products their as you'd think. The Nordic markets are considered more important by many of them. This is what they tell me from head office. Consequently, we can't have some kind of super-fair qualifying contest because it won't capture the imagination of the industry and hence will not work. The first two people I went to were EVGA and Gigabyte - the two brands that care most about overclocking. To get their interest I had to say they were in it... not having to qualify against a load of teams that only overclockers had ever heard of. We needed every super star we could get... and I'm sorry, but being 5th on HWBot simply doesn't register with these people. At all. I'm not saying I agree with it. But it's completely true. They know who wins their live events though. As for saying, 'where are the other nationalities'... Japan is on a different planet for all manufacturers. I'd love to have them in it. But it's a totally different market to the rest of the world and the manufacturers universally agree on that. Hopefully now you're getting the idea as to why teams had to be invited rather than qualify FOR THIS SEASON ONLY. Tom's Hardware is in there because it wanted to be and is a major pusher of overclocking. There will be lots of coverage on this tournament purely because they are involved. We have already had requests from the likes of TweakTown (Cam is my very good friend), Atomic magazine and others but they will all have to wait. Tom's has put on major competitions around the world and deserves to be in season one. It also takes care of having German entrants. Remember, people look at the flags of the drivers rather than the manufacturers. Also note, that after all this 'discussion' Team MSI will now contain two out of 'Benchtec plus Deanzo' (NZ). They're in discussions now. I think we've got an excellent spread of nationalities now. I hope this helps clarify a few issues and explains why there is a lack of democracy here, but that it's essential to hit the ground running... and soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bustah Posted June 13, 2009 Share Posted June 13, 2009 (edited) Top 10 countries should be invited, each of those decide who to enter. thats the only fair way to do this. then 5 spots could be filled by who ever benefits the Overclocker and manufacturers the most. O therwise of course people will not be happy. You have come onto hwbot, [the only really site that fully holds rankings for overclockers. to say that you are holding a contest to showcase talent, but have seen fit to decide all by yourself who should participate. and in amongst a list of 'invited guest' countries you have a website that is not even about extreme overclocking per se. what do you expect, you are directly stepping on ppls toes here. ppl put countless hours of hard work into this sport only to be left in the shadows? some guys in your list that are not known at all.? All of these countries have very good overclockers who deserve to be in this whats the REAL reason you have left them out? Germany France UK Holland Italy etc etc etc. Edited June 13, 2009 by BUSTAMOVE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Overclocker Posted June 13, 2009 Author Share Posted June 13, 2009 Top 10 countries should be invited, each of those decide who to enter. thats the only fair way to do this. then 5 spots could be filled by who ever benefits the Overclocker and manufacturers the most.O therwise of course people will not be happy. You have come onto hwbot, [the only really site that fully holds rankings for overclockers. to say that you are holding a contest to showcase talent, but have seen fit to decide all by yourself who should participate. and in amongst a list of 'invited guest' countries you have a website that is not even about extreme overclocking per se. what do you expect, you are directly stepping on ppls toes here. ppl put countless hours of hard work into this sport only to be left in the shadows? some guys in your list that are not known at all.? Germany France UK Holland Italy etc etc etc. All of these countries have very good overclockers who deserve to be in this. whats the REAL reason you have left them out? Read my above post. It answers all of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bustah Posted June 13, 2009 Share Posted June 13, 2009 (edited) What you are saying here is your only reason for doing this are commercially motivated? hmnn Ultimately all this is really going to do is reinforce the guys that have full backing already and encourage manufacturers to provide them with ever more cherry picked hardware which leaves those left out finding it even more difficult to get good support to compete......nice move. imo The overclocker should stay out of holding events like this, its far to bias towards commercial gains rather than pure love of overclocking. If the overclocker cares about overclocking community you should be holding qualifying rounds so weveryone has a chance the big names will still be there because lets face it they get the best hardware for whatever reason. Edited June 13, 2009 by BUSTAMOVE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazx Posted June 13, 2009 Share Posted June 13, 2009 (edited) "Also note, that after all this 'discussion' Team MSI will now contain two out of 'Benchtec plus Deanzo' (NZ). They're in discussions now." in discussion with who? "The manufacturers ALL onboard FROM THE START. The key manufacturers are almost all based in Taiwan. I know many/most/probably all of the top product managers personally. They tell me who their most important markets are. They tell me that Australia sells more high-end motherboards than China and is a test bed for products for the USA/Europe quite often. It's a hugely important market. Team Australia is always at global live overclocking finals too. Always - they are very well known in Asia and incredibly popular there." what a load of shite either print up some proof or stop licking toads i don't give a damn about what the manufacturers want mate i am only interested in fair competition and overclocking . Edited June 13, 2009 by bazx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Overclocker Posted June 13, 2009 Author Share Posted June 13, 2009 Benchtec is actually proving the point exactly why this needs to be selective (for season one only). The amount of complaining is unreal... from a small minority. Tell me if I'm wrong... but at the UK GOOC qualifier, wasn't Benchtec the ONLY team to use LN2? That's how popular it is there. I've just communicated with a dissapointed giogioprimo. He's a friend of mine. He should be in this competition more than most. Hopefully, with Asus, Gigabyte, DFI or someone else - he still will be. Maybe with team MSI?? With such a limited field having Greece AND Italy was considered daft. He didn't throw his toys out of the pram on a forum he discussed it offlist. I've explained why the commercialisation is essential - otherwise general tech enthusiasts (who don't overclock) don't give a flying rats arse about overclocking competitions. Live or online. This is all about capturing the imagination of people who have never cared about overclocking before. I've been very clear on that. You've been offered a 'ride'. Is that enough or are you still going to bag everything incessantly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sacha35 Posted June 13, 2009 Share Posted June 13, 2009 I'd like to suggest a change in format for the competition, why not have a qualifying round ? Something along the lines of this: Qualification round - open to all from all countries - widest audience have qualification round for 1 month or longer allow for a building of viral marketing opportunities building up to the actual competition itself Results submitted to HWBOT for the Specifc competition only and validated top 5/10/20 scores from each country to allow formation of country team or top 20/50/100 scores overall qualify for actual competition Competition round - run with the best from qualifying Why would this work ? I'm sure Hardware manufacturers would like the widest audience involved for both brand visibility and sales opportunities Everyone gets a chance to participate and attract more folks to be involved wider media coverage - small no - good interest, large No - higher and wider interest potentially into mainstream media - Hwbot team, would this be possible ? - maybe allow searching for a date submitted + specific comment included so these results can be filtered to show competition results only for a specific search? Dafridge [benchtec UK] Benchtec is actually proving the point exactly why this needs to be selective (for season one only). The amount of complaining is unreal... from a small minority. Tell me if I'm wrong... but at the UK GOOC qualifier, wasn't Benchtec the ONLY team to use LN2? That's how popular it is there. I've just communicated with a dissapointed giogioprimo. He's a friend of mine. He should be in this competition more than most. Hopefully, with Asus, Gigabyte, DFI or someone else - he still will be. Maybe with team MSI?? With such a limited field having Greece AND Italy was considered daft. He didn't throw his toys out of the pram on a forum he discussed it offlist. I've explained why the commercialisation is essential - otherwise general tech enthusiasts (who don't overclock) don't give a flying rats arse about overclocking competitions. Live or online. This is all about capturing the imagination of people who have never cared about overclocking before. I've been very clear on that. You've been offered a 'ride'. Is that enough or are you still going to bag everything incessantly? But if it was a true competition then you would have looked at what this guy said rather than just pick friends or who's face fits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF3D Posted June 13, 2009 Share Posted June 13, 2009 Some people really need to start looking a more civilized way to handle these issue/ things. This conversation here is like some gang of bullies are trying to get their will through, no matter what will happen. Think about this concept once more. Calm down and then try to talk with Nick again. Like he said in XS, there is some room left in MSI team etc. Stop pressuring Nick and let him do his work. Please! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazx Posted June 13, 2009 Share Posted June 13, 2009 Some people really need to start looking a more civilized way to handle these issue/ things. This conversation here is like some gang of bullies are trying to get their will through, no matter what will happen. Think about this concept once more. Calm down and then try to talk with Nick again. Like he said in XS, there is some room left in MSI team etc. Stop pressuring Nick and let him do his work. Please! lol why not lead the way and pull out your self and let one of the other countrys stand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF3D Posted June 13, 2009 Share Posted June 13, 2009 Unbelievable attitude! Can I say anything else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazx Posted June 13, 2009 Share Posted June 13, 2009 Unbelievable attitude! Can I say anything else let me ask you a question why do you care about this competition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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