The Poll: Allow E.S. or disallow ?

[BenchZowner]

It's a cpu

[knopflerbruce]

While Gulftown was under NDA you could submit, but they wouldn't receive boints until the NDA was lifted. I believe the same will happen with future releases as well, unless massman has a bright idea that's even better.

[$@39@]

Yes of course!! Something like...hmmm oh yes! Banning Es's...

[der8auer]

IMO banning would be wrong.

 

I agree on this:

There's one more thing i dont like about BANNING engineering samples... this is the biggest overclocking database around. If a CPU exist, it's against ANY common sense to say "sorry, that chip doesn't belong here". Sure it does. It's a CPU, that's enough. What to do with it is more up for discussion - removing ES submissions from the database is like a CPU holocaust... my .02.

 

But what about the submissions without points? Impossible to realise?

[steponz]

I think they still need to be there at least not for points.. It is cool to see the uber crazy clocks.. pro class would be better.. but for now.. no points would probably be pretty good.

 

I haven't anything about the possability of searching on what is ES and what is Not.

[steponz]

What about having a seperate ES point system?

 

yeilds half of a normal point compared to retail...or something... then if the 980x has a great stepping and can beat the ES chips.. you can put them back as regular..

 

Just an idea..

[BenchZowner]

Let's just wait for 99% votes against ES and a voting lot of 1000 people...

[PizzaMan]

Make an ES class with its own points. Just don't grade them in the same class as non-ES models. I think this would be the easiest sollution for the ES question.

 

I agree, if it exsist, bench and record it.

[Massman]

It's currently 73 against 29 in favor of allowing ES on HWBOT ...

[Kal-EL]

Only 16 overclockers wish for things to remain the same?

[BenchZowner]

Actually, it's not Pieter.

It's 87 against 16, 71 against ES used in the normal rankings being awarded points.

For the time being the community says "No ES at all" or "ES at a separate league with separate points db".

[Massman]

 

Your proposed solution of banning all ES is not supported by the community. Oh, wait ... we need more votes, right?

[BenchZowner]

You are obviously trying to get a reason to ban me

You see the word allow... but you don't see the WITHOUT POINTS right ?

[euklidis]

 

Your proposed solution of banning all ES is not supported by the community. Oh, wait ... we need more votes, right?

 

hahahahaah that's really funny... benzowner change the names... make it:

 

disallow ranking while posting

disallow taking part in normal ranks

[Massman]

Oh wait ... i though that your proposal was "ban all es - there is no other solution"

 

You should really be more clear about the message you're sending.

[Kal-EL]

 

Your proposed solution of banning all ES is not supported by the community. Oh, wait ... we need more votes, right?

 

Your right Massman, given the existing parameters of the poll, it is readily apparent that thusfar the majority are in favor of keeping ES chips here at hwbot under the following conditions that ES CHIPS ARE NOT GIVEN POINTS or ARE PLACED INTO A SEPERATE LEAGUE.

Can't argue with that logic at all. Guess your gonna start moving the ES into a new category or remove points now?

[BenchZowner]

Nah, he still gets the other point, the one in the parallel universe where maths are way different than ours

Maybe that universe is called Sponsors ( sorry about my bad taste of humor, I'm trying to watch some basketball )

[[GF]Duke]

Allow without points is the leading vote. Clearly.

 

But honesty in submissions would be a huge problem.

[Massman]

Did you guys notice that I just never said nothing has to be done? Or did you just filter that out.

 

The entire discussion here is about removing or not removing the ES scores. It's quite clear that most of the community likes to see the crazy results and therefore should not be removed from HWBOT. On the other hand, there's also a vast majority that acknowledges the fact that there's an issue with the rankings at the moment and that changes are necessary to make it more pleasant.

 

If you have the time, read this reply: http://hwbot.org/forum/showpost.php?p=58963&postcount=267. Also read Gautam's reply in this thread.

[BenchZowner]

Smart cheaters do stupid mistakes.

Cheat like that once and get awarded with a lifetime ban to think about your stupidity and lack of ethics.

[$@39@]

Ok. You are kiddin massman..aren't you. I think you are a smart guy and not as stupid as you want to show us. Most of the people participate on hwbot don't want the es to gain points and you have to respect these people. It's not me, it's not benchzowner it's not 3-4 people. You must find a way to open the league again. Now the only way for someone to make a WR isd to have a very good ES. Not a very good retail and the people who can have these chips have a sponsorship from the companies. Everybody must have a chance to the top... EVERYBODY.

[Massman]

Seriously, is no one reading my posts?

 

I have always said that SOMETHING MUST BE DONE and that JUST REMOVING ES SCORES IS NOT AN OPTION. The latter doesn't mean that there's no option, it just means that removing the ES scores TOMORROW is not the solution everyone wants here. This is NOT about ES samples, this is about MANUFACTURER INTERFERENCE.

 

Ok, I used caps and bold to make it more clear. Hope it works ...

[$@39@]

It's a first step though... and another step will come another time and one day hwbot will be far better.

[euklidis]

Seriously, is no one reading my posts?

 

I have always said that SOMETHING MUST BE DONE and that JUST REMOVING ES SCORES IS NOT AN OPTION. The latter doesn't mean that there's no option, it just means that removing the ES scores TOMORROW is not the solution everyone wants here. This is NOT about ES samples, this is about MANUFACTURER INTERFERENCE.

 

Ok, I used caps and bold to make it more clear. Hope it works ...

 

if you remove ES only companies who actually paid for the golden ES would be sad it's not a secret, cherry ES cpus where bought by companies among thousands of ES... send the best to some people and the rest are returned or on ebay. The only way to stop manufacturers interference is removing the ES advantage they have, cause me and you cannot buy ES directly from intel. Sure they can buy thousands of retail cpus and find good cpus but so do the rest of us. Who knows. I might be lucky the next time i buy a cpu luckier than companies...

[[GF]Duke]

Did you guys notice that I just never said nothing has to be done? Or did you just filter that out.

 

The entire discussion here is about removing or not removing the ES scores. It's quite clear that most of the community likes to see the crazy results and therefore should not be removed from HWBOT. On the other hand, there's also a vast majority that acknowledges the fact that there's an issue with the rankings at the moment and that changes are necessary to make it more pleasant.

 

If you have the time, read this reply: http://hwbot.org/forum/showpost.php?p=58963&postcount=267. Also read Gautam's reply in this thread.

 

Yes the complications are clear. No i'm sorry i never saw that post. I think that you have a great idea there. To implement it would be awesome. You and your guys have the knowledge and talent to do this and it would definately make the playing field better. but as you said participation is the biggest problem. how many people would that make in that league about 25 -30? It really dosn't seem likely that corporate sponsers would want to provide harware for such a small amount of poeple. Wheres the bragging rights in that. Unless the sponsership was for a whole team and not individuals.

 

I really find the competition in this hobby is fierce and often wonder why, even I, feel the need to be on top. It's not like we get paid for this or can say "I'm going to Disneyland" when the championship is won. There is no championship. There is no prize money and there is never one winner. Its like a drug and Futuremark and HWBot are the fix.

Edited June 6, 2010 by [GF]Duke