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6 minutes ago, Leeghoofd said:
if you think GTS450 will be overpriced in them regions , then I would not even think how expensive a 950 would be....
My mistake for not being clear, what I meant is we either say fuck anything outside of US, EU, AU and do GTX 950 or we pick not GTX 950 and make sure that whatever the gpu is it's widely available in all regions.
Personally I don't think anything outside of US, EU, AU really matters as those are the only countries to participate in previoius Cheapaz with the exception of Brazil and Israel in S1, and tbh probably 98% of participation in all comps falls in those three regions so I would be fine with choosing cards based exclusively on those three markets. Either way a poll should solve things.
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Just now, Leeghoofd said:
I just ebayed these cards btn 10-30 bucks
In all regions? What about asian, south american, south african regions? If we're gonna do a card that is only for sure available in US, EU, AU regions then GTX 950 availability and price is fine. If we're gonna do a card other than GTX 950 then we should consider regions other than the big three.
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2 minutes ago, Leeghoofd said:
gentlemen keep your steroids in ya pants
How about GTS 450 DDR3 ?
Seems very specific, I feel like if we're gonna do fermi then doing GF108 core would give a few more options to hopefully get around any possible issues of finding a specific model in a region. GF108 would give us GT 420, 430, some 440, gt 530, some gt 630 would be similar to how we did cedar core last year and had lots of options for models that performed essentally the same.
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Just now, Splave said:
just strange, you are going to set the table and then not show up for dinner?
He seems to be targeting a $10 gpu when everyone else is targeting $30-50. No need to get into a flame war over this, you guys have differing opinions but both opinions hinge on different criteria. Personally I think either GTX 950 or GTX 660 would be good as they're within the affordable range in the two of the three markets that actually matter for this comp, US and EU. And in AU they're $70-100 which is about the same as $50 USD but I don't know if that's expensive for them or not.
My personal opinion is the used markets outside of those three markets is so fucked that no matter what gpu you pick you'll pick "the wrong one" but mick doesn't seem to agree and I'll allow him that. I have seen much more support for GTX 950 than a single person who want caicos/g 210 so personally I'd push for GTX 950.
The real question is why are we arguing the merits of one gpu or another in what's essentially a shouting match. I think it's time for a poll and we'll find just like basically every other year that one option will have overwhelming popularity.
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Just now, mickulty said:
Tesla's a good idea, the Geforce 210 seems pretty good for availability. And is actually CHEAP.
210 was in the og cheapaz apparently but it is long enough ago I think we can revisit the arch. Tbh they're all cheap enough we could do something like gtx 280 or 285 so there's at least a few frames in the benches?
For the other arches that I mentioned I think gtx 660 (kepler), 750ti (maxwell), Cape Verde + Oland (gcn1), bonair (gcn2) are all viable options if we picked any of those arches. But again I only know prices in the US where those can generally be had under $50. I think tesla is great for modding and honestly would fit the spirit of the comp best but the newer arches that can get a few more frames may not be as painful to bench and can run slightly newer benches without a slideshow.
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8 minutes ago, mickulty said:
Not sure what used market you're looking at but in the UK "buy it now" listings for the GTX 950 start at nearly £80, Caicos core cards can be had for £10. 950s also seem to typically have the QFN package controllers that aren't suitable for someone's first time modding. As far as global availability, looking on amazon.in there's one model of GTX 950 available for a single third-party seller for the equivalent of $320 US. I honestly think the 950 falls down on every one of the critera @zeropluszero set out.
On the plus side: it can run Dx12 benches and GPUPI. Oh and I guess it's easier to mount a tek9 to it.
Don't know why you're casting around for other hardware options when Caicos is right there to be honest.
Caicos is essentially a rehash of last year. It's basically just cedar core 2.0. I think we should do a new arch. If small maxwell is out then we should look at a small gcn or small fermi. We honestly could even do tesla or small kepler but I honestly have no idea of global availability of them.
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I think instead of ddr1-2-3-4 mem freq since people seem to have some issue with repeating this stage (imho it sounds lovely and would love to see it for like a 3rd or 4th time, it's a classic/staple for tc) we could do a stage of sdr-rdr-fbdimm max frequency. Only downside I see is that for some sdr and rdr are too legacy for tc or something like that.
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Hi all, after some talk on discord there seems to be some interest in a bench meet in Spring to supplement the one in July/August. If we host it in the midwest it can be done fairly cheaply as we essentially have a free venue in Quad cities area so only expense is for ln2. Just wanting to see if there's enough interest to move forward with planning.
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42 minutes ago, Leeghoofd said:
did you use the hwbot wrapper to launch the benchmark ?
Yes I used the wrapper, also was using latest version of ycruncher, 7.8.9503
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7 minutes ago, Leeghoofd said:
nope screenshot is required, we had no issues with it in Country Cup... no clue why you have now
Okay, thanks for delete. I'll rerun and make sure it takes a screenshot or figure out how to add one.
I tried just hitting the make datafile button instead of make screen shot then make datafile so perhaps this is what happened.
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Just did some ycruncher subs and I noticed that the datafile didn't include a screenshot and actually went as far as to tell me that screenshot is not required when I went to sub. Are these subs legal?
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16 minutes ago, mickulty said:
Timing-wise if it's 5 stages as outlined here, 2 months would make sense: Feburary 1 to March 31. It could be cut down to 3 stages (maybe aqua/01, vantage/heaven, catzilla) and just run over Feburary I suppose.
Imho it's February is too close to start a comp. I think stages should be listed a full month before comp start when possible so that people don't bitch about stages not running on cards, etc, after comp starts. I think 3 stages and run through March would be ideal.
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12 minutes ago, Leeghoofd said:
We will do one AMD IGP and one with discrete graphics at the same time.
- If AMD round has more participants Zeropluszero, Bilko and Yousarianlives pay me and Mickulty a beer.
- If Intel round has more participants Zeropluszero, Bigblock and Splave pay me and Mickulty a beer
You want $10 for beer or me to try to figure out how to send some local craft beer? Tbh you deserve a beer after all you're hard work whichever comp were to be more popular lol
Also are you each wanting your own beer or can I send one to share
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4 hours ago, Bilko said:
All excellent points mate but it just adds to the problem with this thread, there's plenty of "Here's why you shouldn't do that" posts and very very few actual hardware/bench suggestions.
Can't speak for others but I know when I said "let's not do something that doesn't require mods" I did give a valid suggest of doing some dx9 benches and specifying only mobo igp. There really aren't any good mobos with igp that I can think of off the top of my head so they all need mods, it's gpu limited, and it would be old benches that are tweak heavy. Also almost all of the relevant mobos are $20-30 and available probably more universally than even new hardware.
Now assuming that isn't to people's liking I would recomend RX 550 which is about the closest to a budget gpu you're gonna get new atm. It would be similar to gt 1030 from a few years ago where it's sub $100.
Now if we're okay doing another older gpu I would suggest doing GT 430 or even better GF108 core which would be GT430, some GT440, GT 530, some GT 630 and would allow more option so hopefully it'd have about as universal access as the Cedar Core last year.
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Hi, do you have any tips for this bench?
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For sale today I have some ram and cpus I no longer need. Most of ram is not too interesting, mainly useful for daily. Cpus are old samples that I'm never gonna use.
Athlon tbird 1000b A1000AMT3B $5
Coppermine celeron 1.1 Ghz sl5xu $5
P3 800eb sl3y2, P3 866 sl4cb $5 each
P4 1.8 sl5vj, p4 1.7 sl5tk, p4 2.6 sl6wh, $5 each, unmarked chip free with purchase of any S478 cpu
LC3518 not x58 compatible $10
OCZ reapers ddr2 1150 MHZ $20 for kit of 2 - pending sale
OCZ Flex XLC 1150 mhz ddr2 $25 for 3 - pending sale
2x16 gb dual rank Sammy bdie ddr4 $180
2x8 gb Kingston Hyperx Ddr3 $30
Gskill ripjaws 4gb Ddr3 dimms 2 for $8, 3 for $10, 6 for $18
2x4 gb gskill sniper Ddr3 $8
3x4 gb corsair xms3 Ddr3 3 for $10
4gb hynix afr and 2x 4gb nanya Ddr3 3 for $10
4 gb micron ddr4 $15
1 gb crucial ddr1 $1+purchase of other item
2x2 gb gskill ripjaws Ddr3 $5
Rimms 3 for $5
Edo ram $5
Pile of random ram, free with any purchase+shipping
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4 minutes ago, Mythical tech said:
It is a moot point as he is going to drop a real score soon and leave the rest of us even more in the dust
and I am sure he will have full cpuz version visible. In b4 1fps on ln2
I find 1 fps unoptimisicallly low tbh, this is at 4.2 and I expect to see 5.5+, probably close to 6 ghz on the right chip, also mem is pretty low and that fsb is relatively low. It's gonna be the equivalent of taking ankle weights off in an anime when he posts his real score.
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41 minutes ago, max1024 said:
I confess I am surprised by the above. A little shocked
The question remains when will they get enough, or what to do before this happens? Also, we are interested in figures on the production output of this processor model, say for a week?That I wouldn't know, but I can say that intel makes way more cpus than AMD and still is at 100% sales.
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15 minutes ago, Hyperhorn said:
High frequency traders (if interested into the subject matter you might have a look into Flash Boys by Michael Lewis); although I'm a bit surprised they would choose i9-10980XEs. i9-9900XE or i9-9900K(S) might be superior depending on the use case. FPGAs are pretty popular now, too.
Well depends on how big a trader they are, more cores means less servers. Bigger the trader with more money they can afford more servers with less cores per box. They'll use cascade lake over Skylake refresh because the hardware mitigations for meltdown are way faster than software
They do also use fpgas, just depends on the customer. I saw the trays of cpus at a company that builds oc servers for hft so they had all kinds.
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7 hours ago, unityofsaints said:
Shortage would suggest there was some stock to begin with...
There's stock, they just sell 100% of what they make, I've seen trays of 10980xe's, it's just not profitable to sell cpus to pleb consumers when you can sell to HFT who buy by the tray.
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Definitely surprised nobody found this sooner lol
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1 hour ago, zeropluszero said:
why not repeat the last comps?
If we do that we should do 1030, I got one modded Galax ready to go
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6 minutes ago, max1024 said:
But seriously? What happens and when will it end? But there are still rumors about an allegedly 22-core processor on 2066 socket.
22 core cpu wouldn't pull any cpus from the stock of 18c and below. It uses a different die so it'd pull from dies currently only used on lga 3467 as it would have to come out of the 28 core die. As far as the shortage, the best way to get cpus is inside deals. HFT is buying up all of the lga 2066 cpus they can because the alternative to them is to run a bunch of servers with 9900ks, HFT needs the fastest cores they can get and will pay whatever it takes to get them.
Cheapaz GPU poll, multiple votes possible
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What 3dmarks does the current comp engine allow to be configured for just graphics score? I know anything pre 3dm06 does but what about newer 3dmarks where cpu score is counted, any where we can specify just graphics score?