yosarianilives

LOL if I'm picking stages I'm gonna do benches I half a clue how to get a good score. Except speedsys, I have no idea how to do well but making everyone else suffer through dos benching would offset it. Legacy benches are 98% mystery to me. Stages I think would actually be cool to see, gpu dog pile with dx9 bench cpu mem agnostic, max mem freq for ddr1, 2, 3, 4 to return, am2 anything reasonable, an am2+ specific stage

Lol would have such gems as cpuz freq dogpile, ycruncher 10b, pcmark android, and speedsys

I worded it badly, I was referring to your teams no obligation to bench clause. IE for team cups nobody is "expected" or "pressured" to bench. Despite how you seem to think, I do have the utmost respect for warp9. It's a team full of excellent benchers and the fact that it even competes with a team as huge as ocn for most overall pts is insane.

Amazing that you say I'm in any leadership role, truthfully the most I've done is ask people if they'd like to meet for a comp and create a discord/spreadsheet for them to organize themselves. I've done very little telling people what to do or any of the like. If I'm associated with being "the lead" of the team USA effort that's unfortunate cause it's very not true. I see you talking shit about my efforts and yet I've never seen you try to contribute anything to team USA's success. Perhaps you should try getting your friends on warp9 team USA to bench if you actually give a shit about your country winning. Don't think of it as "benching for me" as you paint it, cause it ain't that.

You say that except teams with just as much separation, lower population to draw on, and generally less resources show up with all the best hw and do everything ln2. If you want to win you have to ln2 everything. But even then I've never said that people can't bench on ambient or discouraged people from doing it, I try to organize ln2 meets so people who wouldn't normally have access to ln2 can try it out. Imho if you have access to ln2 no reason not to try it, enthusiast league is a cesspool.

Me too, but what good does it do if I bench every stage on ln2 and can't get a full roster of others to do the same? I'm glad we can do a benchmeet ourselves this weekend, but I also get a bit jealous that teams like AU can do bench meets similar to our PA meet but during their CC

Your team is the only one who still has hope that devs will fix the bot

If you can get people to bench plz do, but my understanding is you're in a team that's purposely not about getting people to bench. I can only DM people I know to get them to bench, the rest I have to hope threads here and trying to build a discord community work. To a certain extent it has but also I'm never going to be able to organize the people who don't like me. I work on my personality since I know I can be a bit abrassive but I honestly don't believe I'm changing for the better fast enough to be the one to get team USA to give a shit about CC, and I've yet to see anyone else willing to organize people to bench on ln2.

that was my point it's the most members but non show up because it's the worst time of the year for potential participation. The people who don't have family obligations are college students who have finals so basically anyone that could participate is busy with life. OC should be a hobby not your whole life/job.

I can't agree more, that's been my main complaint is that I can't even begin to organize a meet, I've tried the past 3 years and every year it's too close to the holidays for anyone to consider it. Of course in order for US to do a meet it is also significantly more travel than in EU so you really can't just do a meet on a weekend when you already have time off, which is a problem in the US where vacation days are very limited at most companies. Are you gonna tell your wife "No honey I can't go see meemaw for christmas because I have to get fake internet points" surely if you do you're sleeping on the couch for a month minimum, so people choose family over OC. In EU no only do most countries mandate more than a few days of vacation AFAIK, you also only need to take a few hour train ride max to get anywhere. Even in AU where the distance is much greater, AFAIK they all have a reasonable amount of vacation days. Example: I'm lucky enough to have about 20 vacation days a year which is above average, but for example our contractor who handles phones gets 5 and that includes his sick days. The average being around 10 days.

Didn't see any mods vote for not q4. Anyways the reason I think that just moving it a few weeks isn't sufficient is as I said, the whole month of November and December is a no go for most people in the US for any kind of event because it's already such a packed time of year. I can't speak for other countries as I know AU seems to be able to make the sacrifice for CC, presumably because their team members actually give a shit if they win and also because they live in a country that mandates significantly more vacation time be allowed. This seems to be confirmed by a large portion of the people who voted for q4 being from AU and the rest being from EU with 100% of the US/Canadian vote going to times other than q4. Not saying that we should cater comps to the culture of one or two countries but it seems like we would get more participation running comps during parts of the year that aren't already crowded by non OC things. So we should try to find a time of year that isn't bad for the country that has the most members by almost 3 times the second most membered country.

How can you say majority vote? Its 13 to 12 against q4 if you don't count mods

That is something that can be voted on, my basic poll started cause lots of people seemed unhappy with q4 in general and I can't vouch for holidays in other countries but in the US November and December are basically non holiday based vacation black zones for most people because of Thanksgiving and Christmas, which means typically no benchmeets even when there have been attempts to plan them. Plus people are almost always busy spending time with family even on the weekends so most people have little to no time to bench. Anyone that's still in school has finals during this time as well so even the younger people with less family tend to be swamped. The main problem is currently to move CC would almost certainly mean moving another comp as well, which personally wouldn't matter to me as I only care about team competitions, however I think that many people enjoy other comps like challenger, etc so would be good not to fuck them over.

So just to put things into perspective it looks like far and away people want it to stay in q4 as out of the roughly 30 people to vote 15 voted for q4, however another way to look at that number is only half want it to stay in q4 and just as many people want it to be in not q4. If we look at the data for people that don't want it in q4 then it seems to be split between q1 2020 (turn around and have another CC right after CC2019 ends, LOL) or in Q3 (requires moving Team Cup 2020). If we take the mods out of the vote for q4 then it's actually a decent percentage more people who don't want it in q4 than who do.

Yeah let's drop this buggy mess

It may be very slowly and hard to tell but I am learning

Real talk, can we put a ban on these types of posts? 100% of the time they're posted it becomes a toxic thread of name calling and I've yet to see one of these threads yield anything positive for the community. And believe me I unfortunately know a thing or two about creating toxic threads with no positive biproduct to the forum.

Turns out elite league is not just for people with sponsored results, I've submitted sponsored scores and was told by mod staff not to move to elite. Elite is for people with close ties to industry, otherwise I'd be elite league already. Currently I just mark my subs on sponsored hardware as sponsored and I've been told that's all I should do. If that's the case then benching clients hw is not a loophole to avoid elite, however those subs should be marked as sponsored which will not put you in elite league. Basically elite league is only for current gen es and if hardware makers are sending you hardware.

I think this is a common thread type, when people start hwbot they become discouraged because their ambient results can't compete with ln2. However the longer you sit at ambient you realize how stupid that ranking is as not everyone in it is really ambient so you switch over to the mindset that Mr Scott has here which is there should be sponsored rankings and not sponsored rankings as that's what really divides results at the top, not cooling.

It's not even as good as it could be. I had roughly 5 hours with that system, with more time I could've gotten a lot more done. It has semi decent mem tuning options and I was using 32gb ecc dimms in full population. Could've switched to 1dpc bdie with more time. With that many threads on avx it seems like it's basically a mem bench. I saw the 3175x score being made and from 3.6 to 3.8 ghz had zero difference because it was so mem limited.

Yeah, I'm just more salty about getting accused of cheating because I subbed a score on a 7742 for whycruncher, luckily I was able to get access to the lab again and provide the needed proof

Not required by rules, it's about as "shady" as me having access to an epyc system and being wrongly accused of not running the bench myself.

I figured mods would do it, then leeg said all subs look fine while also reiterating that lga 1151 v1=v2 needs to be manually done so ig may as well try to make sure the team I'm on stays clean.

Please remove from comp, only one 1151 score is allowed but extra scores need to be manually removed.

Ah, didn't realize that the ranking was broken for correct detection, thought it was a misconfiguration. Sorry if I came across a bit brash before.