BenchZowner

We can... contact FutureMark and ask them for a better system info add-on... On #2 massman, just like you can make CPU-z say retail instead of ES, you can mipmap AquaMark 3 and post an image with altered CPU clocks to go with the higher score...

Smart cheaters do stupid mistakes. Cheat like that once and get awarded with a lifetime ban to think about your stupidity and lack of ethics.

Nah, he still gets the other point, the one in the parallel universe where maths are way different than ours Maybe that universe is called Sponsors ( sorry about my bad taste of humor, I'm trying to watch some basketball )

You are obviously trying to get a reason to ban me You see the word allow... but you don't see the WITHOUT POINTS right ?

Actually, it's not Pieter. It's 87 against 16, 71 against ES used in the normal rankings being awarded points. For the time being the community says "No ES at all" or "ES at a separate league with separate points db".

Let's just wait for 99% votes against ES and a voting lot of 1000 people...

It's a cpu

Oh look... a Sandy Bridge ( not an eagle ). Yes, it's an ES but it's a CPU. I don't see why I shouldn't submit my scores with it... edit: psycho kurumi edit for massman - I don't care

Worry not folks, sometime in 2055 HWbot will come up with a great solution... We'll just have to live with E.S. scores up, because if we disallow them the honest and nice people gunning with those right now will cheat to make the ES look like retail... and that's a bad thing for the community Oh joy... why don't we bring back OPB too ?

So we're not taking a step forward because some people and stupid manufacturers will try to "override" the new rule ? Allllllllrighty... Since people and manufacturers can also "embrace" hardware sharing, shouldn't we retire the hardware sharing rule too ? And since some people can also run mipmap for example at X clocks and claim that they run the benchmark at Y clocks ( matching the relative performance ), shouldn't we also remove all the rules in general ? Let's keep it nice, tidy & simple. The new rules are... #1: Be a human being #2: There's no second rule. Enjoy...

Doesn't change a thing. For every bad ES there are hundreds of crappier retails. The top 5 of each benchmark is getting ESowned.

Yeah, every 10pts, 30 global points member will benefit from the 2 gained points to climb to the top...

It's 59 to 14 at the moment. And of the 14 "yes" three of them would lose most of their points once the E.S. hardware gets disallowed. Oh no, it must be a misconception

It's not as bad as presented ? Ok then captain obvious, let's ask some people ( Andre, Nick, HiCookie, SF3D ) to bin 980X & 670 ES's like crazy, and let you and 49 more overclockers battle against the 4 E.S. people with retail 980X & 670. Let me preorder some tons of pop corn first

You do realize that there was no difference between the E.S. and the retail Nehalem's back then right ? Binning retails was more worthwhile than binning E.S. then. You had better chances to find a great retail chip than an E.S. This is obviously not the case with Gulftown and Clarkdale.

That's just wrong, because: 1) They're not my sponsors. 2) They're just people who helped me back when I started reviewing hardware 3) They're not sending me pretested hardware to bench, they're just my contacts that send me random retail samples to review on my site. p.s.1. My recent scores were obtained with an 980X E.S. CPU ( crappy for most benches, but whatever ), and I'm more than happy to have those removed regardless of the "outcome" regarding the E.S. hardware. p.s.2. Obviously the ones who have good connections with a few mfc's can also bin retails, but binning retails would be much less harsh than binning E.S. The best retail out there can't outclock the best E.S. Actually the best retail out there is a worse clocker than the "mid-class E.S." out there. Binning E.S. is just making sure that nobody would get past that man, simply because the retails are and from the looks of it will remain worse. It's way easier to find a "diamond" E.S. than finding a "diamond" retail. How many good E.S.'s do we have on HWbot ? 20 ? 30 ? How many good retails do we have on HWbot ? How many E.S. were tested to get to those 30 great ones ? How many retails were tested to get to those... 2 ? 3 ?

So, you only consider the ES people as overclockers. Since the rest are just "category fillers" for you, want to see how things can turn out once people start leaving ?

Seeing how the rankings would be with the E.S. scores removed would be a great view to what's behind the curtains...

I'm not surprised at all on the votes for the time being. I wouldn't be surprised to see how many people would quit benching once HWbot stops awarding points ( just be a WR ranking site like ripping.org ).

As far as I remember there was an E.S. conversation some years ago, a few months or 1 year after HWbot appeared...

That's weird, it worked fine for me & tsan ( maybe you've got another version ? )

Yeah I can imagine the pain... statements from the E.S. holocaust survivors "It was a nightmare, I lost all my good scores and I'm now ranked 50th", "I spent... a few e-mails on getting that cherrypicked E.S. visiting Intel Tajikistan to bench there, and now they took all my 50.000$ worth scores away"

Use eLeet Tune GPU George, no limits there

Then you'll never remove them because there are people who bought sandy bridge E.S. already, and then they'll buy charlie's chimp E.S. etc So, stop pretending that you're thinking of a way to make things work, and just say that you will never remove the E.S. It's that simple.

They'll ignore it because it's "not on HWbot" ( laughs ) But, it's a good idea, would you mind starting it on XS George ?