BenchZowner

Total lack of communication. No will to consider things, at least think about it. Paraphrasing what I said or coming to conclusions that I didn't come up with and saying that that's what I'm saying. I give up.

Mind if I bench a 512 SP GTX 480 with it as well ? So, you think "Money & Connections" is the way to go for HWbot and the overclocking league...

Let's just take it to the next step then. I am the man, I have somebody in Intel, I ask for a 28nm ES with a 980X identification string and play with that in the 6 core category because... I can You should buy one too, just find the connection

1) Q3FE's are VERY VERY rare, and who would sell a good Q3FE ? I bet you won't find any ( Q3FE/Q3QP ) off e-bay/etc that clocks over 6.3GHz ( you might as well find a sub 6.2GHz chip ). 2) Q3QP's & Q3FE's die relatively easy, so, who would spend a grand in a part that comes without any kind of warranty and can die in a few minutes or hours of testing ? 3) If you have to go through 300 retail 980X's to find one that can bench SuperPi 1M at just 6.3GHz you think it's still fair to allow the ES's ?

Non-PRO users can save unlimited projects, but have only 1 published per 3D Mark.

We spend hundreds of dollars in hardware, why can't we spend 50$ in software that we run over and over again ?

Sure, why not I was talking about the programs with a validation feature. Although, that's a great idea. We should create new versions of the benchmarks and have an online validation system integrated

Not that I don't trust massman, but why should I show a "hack" to another person. There are several ways to make an ES look like a retail CPU in every program. First of all, if it was my decision to make, I would make having an online validation/score link ( ORB compare URL ) MANDATORY for every entry, not just the top 20. Both validations and screenshots can be fiddled with and "cooked" to show whatever a clever ( I said clever, not smart and ethic ) person wants to. Yeah, the crazy retail I tried today was awesome and I stopped crying... 5790MHz max SuperPi 1M... coldbug at -156C... great CPU

Come on man, you're better than misunderstanding what I say. I'm talking about the very few worthy people in the scene. I wouldn't mention any names because I'd have to mention all of them, but as an example, I can guarantee you that SF3D would never publish a score obtained with an ES processor as if it was obtained with a retail CPU.

Well, we all know who has benched at what freqs with Q3FEs & Q3QPs Plus most of the well known at least benchers with those ESs don't do such things.

Why would I ever want to show people how to cheat CPU-z and other programs to show their ES as retail ? I will never ever use or share a cheat or any kind of """""tweak"""""" that can be used to exploit benchmarks/overclocking.

Is it legit ? I for one can't trust OPB & coolaler anymore. p.s. You do know that you can make an E.S. show up as a retail chip, don't ya

I will try to do that for ya in a few hours with a couple of CPUs

But still far away from 6GHz Vantage, and those crazy 6500+ Pi 1M...

Let's see a really good retail first. I have yet to see a SuperPi 1M @ 6.3G with a retail chip.

What we want actually is at least a 5.65G pi1m with the 920 and a 6G pi1m with his... "sold" 975 ( 6.23G validation )

While you're at it, feel free to block + ban. CPU-z submissions are 100% hacked ( the good ones with the "crazy" i7's )

Massman work this thing out man, enough with the CPU-z hacking c*nt.

Keep on walking...

If you're a CPU-z hacker yes How about "his 6.23GHz" Core i7 975 ? [ said he can validate CPU-z at 6.23GHz with dry ice, but can only run Pi1M @ 5.5GHz... which he also failed to provide ] Soon to be banned or removed scores

They don't clock as well as the Q3FEs & good Q3QPs do, other than that nada ( nothing ). I'd exclude the Q3QPs & Q3FEs. The rest E.S. seem to be very close to the retail B1 stepping in terms of overclocking, so it wouldn't be nice for the "buyers" to block those too.

Q3FEs are nowhere to be found. Q3QPs have lower chances of hitting that crazy clocks you've seen. And both die in a short period of time with extreme overclocking. And you also need to realize that you are splashing out 1000$+ for a product that might die soon and has no warranty at all. The guys who have the good clocking Q3FEs/Q3QPs didn't spend a dime getting them, they are samples.

First post updated, added Windows 7 Ultimate x86 Xtreme.

We're also talking about people who buy those 5-5 or even 10-10, and some others who RMA them more than... often 2 months should be more than sufficient if 1.5 month doesn't sound good enough. There are at least 50 users who'll buy a 980X during the launch day, and more definitely another 100 in April.

I'm with the wait option. If in 1-1.5 month from now nobody with a retail 980X manages to bench vantage at 6.2GHz I think it's safe to say that the Q3FE & a few Q3QP samples are far superior than the retail B1 980X's and they need to be excluded.