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I vote "yes".

You can still sell it. Socket A 1400 is the fastest Thunderbird and not many people have it anyway. Just need to comply to the rules, otherwise the mods will have to remove the thread.

This CPU is socket A, not slot A. Plus you're breaking some of the rules of the trade subforum. Sorry, but you can't make some money out of this CPU.

@lanbonden I gave up on Win98. Solved that grey screen with new directx (9.0c I think, or was it smth else? not sure), but score was not better than on xp.

I see what I did here Maybe this topic came as a result of me commenting under one Dancop's result. I just said it is somehow discouraging for people like me seeing those crazy ES results popping up. But if it's not ES, then it would be a binned retail. The only difference might be if all chips are retail you get the illusion that you actually have a chance It's alright for me, I just don't feel motivated anymore to bench my 6320 (which is bad on air), but that's my problem. It had been discussed a lot in the past and it can't be done as in motorsport or any other live sport. In every motorosport there are people who can inspect the actual car if it complies to the rules, while on hwbot/overclocking you can't. You can't tell if anyone is sponsored or if it is ES hardware (unless it is obvious like most Intel CPUs in cpuz). You can't have a flawless separation system (as in classes/divisions), because some things can't be regulated. That's why it can't be a true e-sport in this format and I don't want it to be anyway. We often see complains about somebody having advantage - being sponsored, having access to enormous amount of chips to bin from, having a chiller in enthusiast league, living on the North Pole, etc. I mostly complain about money . It's just a hobby for me with my limited free time and resources. Most of the time it's just for fun and I'd like to see what is possible with the current-gen CPU. I realise that will never be on top, unless (still questionable ) I spend all my money on hardware and dedicate my time on benching. But it's all fine with me.

We will probaly see soon retails that match these ES (a lot of binning will be involved I guess). Anyway, good job!

Awesome score. What's up with those ES though? They clock much better than retails. Don't get me wrong, but it's very discouraging for the average joe

I cured this problem by "re-installing" directx. I had the same problem as you. Tried multiple times to install a clean 98SE, but always the same - 3DMark just closes and if I try to run it again it says that I need a VGA which supports DX6.1 or newer. Then I need a reboot. I can't use drivers newer than 44.03 or so. Everything I get after restart is black screen with blinking cursor. With 44.03 and some other 4x.xx drivers I get grey screen in first test. Had the same on Win2000 with 44.03. With older drivers like 3x.xx performance is bad. Don't really know how you guys do it

I'm fighting with 98 for more than one day, but can't get better score than on XP. 44.03 does not work for me, getting grey screen only when launching first test.

Seems we all need to move to 98 I tried 2000 some days ago, but did not get higher score than XP.

Excellent score for the CPU clock you're running!

You make those 6.4 chips in the selling thread look too weak, lol.

That sounds interesting. Bring it on! Want to see what a true oldchool bencher can squeeze out of such system, I suck at both 3DMark99 and PCMark 2004.

Pure luck, I guess? Posted on a local forum that need slot A system with preferably T-Bird CPU and a guy responded I'm not able to clock it higher on this motherboard though and don't want to mess up with resistors for 10.5x multi. Want to keep it authentic.

Don't think I did anything special. It's just the CPU power and someone with better knowledge would get higher scores. This run is with default clocks on the card, but 185/210 got me about 10 points... Will change windows and try again next week. 44.03 driver seems to be the choice for XP with this system + benchmark combination. It's better than 66.93 and one older detonator driver I tried. Maybe omega could get it higher. If I manage to overclock the CPU higher, sure 10K is within reach.

Yes, I was extremely lucky to find that CPU and really cheap (classified as useless stuff). I got a whole PC for like 25 euro - this T-Bird, the board, some generic sdram, quantum hdd, psu, case, cd-rom, riva tnt2 32MB. Have no windows installed yet, but will try. Hopefully will work, otherwise it is just plain boring - set 10x110 and that's it. Isn't 2V and above pretty normal and "safe"? It is 18nm CPU and although not a socket it should be similar to s.A.

Also have the innovatek oc card, but it does not work on Asus K7V rev 1.03 and older according to the description. Guess what... my board is K7V 1.01. So it does not POST. The other problem is anything higher than 101 FSB in bios does not post. 110MHz with the jumpers works, but that's the maximum one can set.

I think it uses the same clockgen as KT7A, so max should be 183MHz.

Hope they will be good enough for you. All my 3 sticks are very good, especially the first 2 I bought at launch. Still my best Hypers to date and I have several SuperTalent 2200C8, 2000C8, Kingstons 2000C8, OCZ 2000C7, also had some Adata too, but sold long time ago.

Don't think this has anything to do with BCLK. Non-K CPUs seem to be able to do high bclk without a problem. It's more about the cache/uncore, I believe.

Yes, that's the usual price for GTX2. You can consider them rare and it's the highest Hypers bin ever. Binned for 1800 6-6-6 and 2250 8-8-8 1.65V Noone will sell you GTX2 for $20-30 per stick . I have 3 sticks and people even asked me on PM if I sell them... But I keep a pile of good Hypers for old-school benching

OMG, elmor dropped the bomb

Yes, however I have only M64's and one Ultra, so the latter is the obvious choice. I have Goldfinger's device for the CPU and will try without mods first, to see how far I can push it. And the Thunderbird has the built-in cache running at full speed, so I can't control that, right? It is basically socket A Thunderbird on slot A board.

wow, that's a great clock!

I've never touched slot A system, so don't be so sure Hope kotori-san will participate too. Plus it is all about fun Thanks for the multiplier info Scotty. Not sure what is possible with 1GHz T-Bird, but will try to find out. It is going to be limited by platform I guess, but maybe 1200-1300 (at > 2V vcore) is possible with water?