I.nfraR.ed

I wanted to try mod the bios, but the one cold slow bios for 9800 ref card linked on hwbot is exactly the same as one of the "stock" bioses on TPU. I can't find the "before" and "after" of this exact bios, so can't understand what is changed exactly, comparing with HEX editor.

Great score, guys.

Bad, bad Michael. Leave old people alone!

Great CPU and score. Congrats! Test it on LN2 if you can. Looking at your other scores, this CPU should be able to go higher.

This is the exact same reason I run lower than even 5GHz, because I want to be honest and stay under the limit, no matter in theory it should hurt my score a little: I.nfraR.ed`s SuperPi - 32M score: 13min 24sec 78ms with a Phenom II X4 965 BE I don't remember the exact fluctuation, but this combination was the closest to 5GHz that did not abuse the 5003 limit. Don't feel like doing the math now though

I can't agree here, sorry. Even if you buy e.g. an ES CPU from black market or someone else gives it to you as a gift, it is still an ES. It doesn't magically become a retail part. The thing is most of the time an ES CPU can be easily recognized by just looking at cpuz screen, while for other parts sometimes it is impossible (RAM for example). But I don't think re-selling or giving some ES as a gift effectively makes it non-ES. This board is not on Gigabyte site and at the current moment can't be purchased. If the group buy goes through, then it would be open to discussion again. BTW, I don't care about XTU, even though i have 742 result. This was the most boring bench session in my life. Thus not considering buying the Z170 LN2 board even if the group buy becomes a reality. I already have a Z170 board, that I don't use, don't need another one. Might be interested in Z270 though.

stage 4, cinebench 03. It seems you're trying to make me get my dual MSI board out and hopefully kill my golden s.A CPUs. Ain't gonna happen

Won't work for me either. It will be hard to sell high-end chips locally. Same goes for memory. Noone will buy my high-spec DDR4, simply because not many enthusiasts here have high-end Intel systems and if they do, most of the time they prefer cheaper OEM sticks. Just look at Bulgaria's active (extreme) overclockers... More expensive or newer component -> harder to sell. Or I have to sell it with huge loss. I've only done it once with SandyBridge. First I started with 2600K, but all I got was 5.1-5.2 max. After some tries, I had to start binning 2500K's due to money lost after selling rejects. Not much luck with them either - best was like 5.5. I got tired and bought a binned 5.7GHz 2500K and that's the highest I've seen in my country. It's not something great in the global picture with 6GHz chips existing. With 3700K I had some luck finding a decent chip back then after second try.

1 or 2 for me.

Yes, that's what I remembered about gpuz. Checked mine and it is B1 (G92-420-b1). I had good reference 9800GTX 65nm long time ago, but killed it.

My DK is 65nm A2, but I've never benched it on cold. Or at least that's how it is recognized, have to check on the chip itself next time I get it out.

For phase you don't need much insulation. I use small bits of kneaded eraser around the socket and edges of the CPU to seal it, a neoprene gasket on the phase head and around the socket, also some paper towels to catch possible condensation and one neoprene sheet covering the whole back of the mobo which sits between the mb and back plate. Another thicker sheet on the desk where all this thing sits. But the general rule is better too much insulation than too little. I also have the back of the sockets on my motherboards covered with LET for extra protection. Never had issues with phase and AMD boards this way. You can also use LET on the top of the board around socket and covering the SMD components too.

He quit benching. This is not benching, so the statement is still valid

I can sell you one XT for 300€

Yes, I didn't actually benched mine on cold due to lack of time, but they have coldslow. Don't know if a coldslow bios exists for DarkKnight. I wanted to see if I can mod one myself, based on e.g. 9800 CS bios, but didn't get to it. Still have my card modded though and will eventually bench it in the future.

Yes, it's because the category is new. Back when I benched mine (980, non-Ti) on chilled water, there was only H2O category: I.nfraR.ed`s 3DMark11 - Performance score: 21864 marks with a GeForce GTX 980 But it is clear this core clock is not possible with normal room temperatures. @Mr\.Scott is right though - it's up to the submitter to enter all details, so we rely solely on his honesty.

Windsors generally have lower CB, I think. Maybe because they are hotter than Brisbanes. Haven't tested too many chips though. But it can be all across the board for them too. Many chips will boot with SS temps and 200MHz HTT, but when you increase the HTT the fun begins A black edition Brisbane is a possible variant, since you can increase the multi, lower the temperature and keep the HTT close to stock. Chances with non-BE Brisbane are smaller. At 200MHz you have one CB, at 280 it is different. And you have to find the sweet spot between voltage (affects core temperature), HTT and cooler temperature. Generally speaking hotter your cpu is, higher HTT it can do. This is also how mainboard ref clock records for K8 are done - CPU temp goes up to the limit of thermal shutdown to lift HTT wall. PS: Apparently I was wrong about all AMDs being soldered. It seems APUs are not.

You need to cool them down. All high "water/air" results you see in the database are actually done in winter And they also start to scale at about 1.55-1.6V, but you need a really good cooling, otherwise it will overheat. My 6000+ F3 is hot as hell, but scales with cold. It overheats with stock cooling. Starting from AM2, all AMDs have soldered IHS. Also... don't push volts too high, they can't handle e.g. 1.9V It depends on the chip, but usually around 1.6 - 1.7 is best with good cooling (chilled water/air, SS, DI, LN2). You need to balance between temperature, frequency, voltage and HTT. I believe the most common reason for these to coldbug is the IMC. Statistically speaking, you would have a better chance to hit 4GHz+ with Windows F3, although if you find a gold Brisbane, then you can match the best F3s. I don't know much about steppings though - Knut (knopflerbruce) and Sam (TaPaKaH) have much more knowledge than me.

To me this is wrong in the part for socket 939 Opterons. These are desktop CPUs. For server you would need s.940. If I remember correctly certain dual-cpu s.939 boards with nF4 chipset exist, which support Athlon64/Sempron CPUs, so going by this logic you should ban them too. As long as a s.939 Opteron is used, I don't see a problem. Why allow Skulltrail, but no s.939 Opterons that are basically the same as their Athlon64 counterparts. Can you elaborate on the subject why these specific Opterons are not allowed. Maybe there's something I don't know or missed in the discussion. PS: And sorry if I ask the same question, but did not find an answer by searching the thread. I know we (participants) are annoying at times .

Generally speaking, I consider anything under -15 as a good CB The best AM2 chip I have in terms of CB is my 6000+ F3 which was performing well at about -48C on the SS, but for max validation I would probably need higher temperature and LN2 to control it. You all might try disabling one core (from windows) and see if it helps with validation.

FX, being unlocked, need to be clocked with low FSB to fight the coldbug as much as possible and reach maximum frequency. Good job!

Sadly, this is going more and more into the direction "kill the small teams". In the past, I could manage many stages on my own, now it seems impossible.

This is called "0% fat" .

Can I get it as well? I don't have a MSI card at the moment (sold my 7970 Lightning), but you never know. And we don't have a local rep. I've tried to contact some rep in EU several times in the past and either get no answer, or something like "download the regular version from our website".