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I'm totally with you Bruce. But sometimes it turns the other way around http://forum.hwbot.org/showthread.php?t=88346 a little bump won't harm

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All these caps were on on media edition of the board.

Were you able to find a complete one with photos?

How hard do you plan to mod this board? Have been looking at hipro5 Abit IC7 guide?

Same voltage rate and best capacity you can get to fit. Then comes to what is available at your place.

You mean they leaked or what? If yes, of course it won't keep a CPU stable.

Voltage rate no less than yours have now. And capacity as close as you can find (solid caps have lower capacitance than older electrolytic, though perform better).

This was not the first submission that I doubt but I want to make it the last. http://forum.hwbot.org/showthread.php?t=7436 - here's the start of the story. In short, at first REIBEROCROSS shows a Sempron validation that is not a Sempron at all. He tries to explain it with bridge mods. The only problem is that Sempron CPUs are known to have locked multiplier and can't change their multiplier via bridges. Then he pretends to be deaf talking about Duron Applebred unlocking (most of which are unlocked and don't require any modifications). Yesterday, he brings this thread up after 4 years! And shows what he wants us to think is a unlocked via modification Sempron CPU (for the younger, there indeed were none Semprons with default x15 multiplier) - http://valid.canardpc.com/0ccfmn I want to ask moderators to question him the nature of the mod and verify it by repeating it step-by-step. He doesn't need to make it public, I just want to be sue it's not cheating. Pretty much the same verification you've done with bob's tweak and others. If you need any help understanding Socket A modifications or other in-depth things, I'll provide you all the needed info.

So, now you've read the AMD ID manual that's the only thing this proves to me.

You mean the Zalman ZM80A-HP? It's the first noiseless VGA cooler.

If there's going to be a download section, there should be all handy utilities we use. This thread is up because the old ones are hard to find and sometimes sophisticated. There are people that don't know of their existence as more young people start to bench old hardware.

Not too much useless (except nhancer). More are simply outperformed. Newer heating utilities, newer and more universal clocking utilities. Let's not forget that newer utilities are much heavier and have prerequisites (did someone say .NET?) whereas the old one were 20-200KB and worked like a flash even on socket 7. I'll speak for myself - the interface of old utilities looks more friendly to me than the newer fancy ones with bell 'n' whistles. Gotta post what I've got

Listen to Genie, he's right.

My main question is - how do you see this in the end, PJ? A single archive with "everything be it old, useful or useless" or several archives for each category (say, VGA, chipset or by platform)? Or like a section on the site with subsections and descriptions for each utility? I am willing to help but will spend my time only on something interesting and worth it.

CPU stress utilities (like the modern Prime95, Lynx and others): CPU Heat Hot CPU Tester I also have burnCPU utilities (burn K6, burnK7 and others). CPUID (simple as it sounds - brothers of CPU-Z) Central Brain Identifier - built specifically for AMD K7 (Athlon XP and others) (also includes NF2 timings tweaker and IIRC multiplier management) AMD CPUID AMD CPU Info - never heard of these two. WCPUID - first well known CPUID utility. Identifies older hardware (up to s478?) pretty good. Also has plugins like Real Time Clock, multiplier management for K7, SSE enabling for Palomino, L2 cache latency for P2 and some others. CrystalCPUID - more than just CPUID utility. MSR read/write (if you don't know what it is, you don't need it), K6/K7/K8/Intel EIST multiplier and voltage management, Real Time Clock, lists of devices on PCI logical bus (if you don't know what it is, you don't need it) CPU utilities RMClock v17 - old version (latest is 2.13 IIRC) - an utility from iXBT.com, made for monitoring throttling, also has multiplier/voltage management via Intel EIST (and AMD C&Q). Can also enable/disable CPU powersaving features. CPUMSR - utility for enabling/disabling CPU features like cache, prefetching, write allocation and stuff (depends on CPU, supports K6/K7/K8 and Intel P4/ Pentium M). Timing editors: nForce2 Tweaker (by CodeRed) - most comprehensive NF2 editor. Others had much less timings to tweak. Athlon64 Tweaker - the first and fulfil A64 timing editor. Highly recommended. CPU Tweaker - the newest and popular timing editor (in case it's not some other CPU tweaker, will check later) TweakBios 153b - chipset tweaker for very old chipsets (up to 440BX). Works only under DOS. Overclocking: Clockgen NF2 - specifically for NF2 Clockgen NF3 - specifically for NF3 Clockgen NF4 - specifically for NF4 Clockgen 1.0.5.3 - universal overclock utility for many clockgens of that time. Dothan Clockgen - never heard of it. Probably a multi/voltage editor since overclocking doesn't depend on CPU. VGA BIOS editors: Ati HD38xx Bios Edit BiosMod (GF2 bios editor) GeForce123Edit (it was for GF and GF2 series I believe) + GeForce123 Runtime a BIOS editor and (IIRC) a VGA BIOS emulator! You could change VGA start screen text and view changes in the emulator. X-BIOS Editor 1.0 RC3 b520 - yet another NVIDIA BIOS editor. In fact, it's second name is the more known RVBEdit. RaBiT 2.2.1 - Radeon BIOS Tuner. Supports X800 series, doesn't support Radeon HD series. VGA voltage tune: Voltage Factory by AwardFabrik - IIRC, first stand-alone utility of such kind (before people used RT plugins to tweak voltage) VoltageTune 1.1.2.1 vt1165 (plugin for RivaTuner, HD4890 uses this voltage regulators) VGA utilities: nTimings 1.0 - timing editor for GF2-5. Based on NV15 BIOS source codes. Needs RT to be installed AFAIK. Coolbits.reg (unlock overclock in Forceware drivers) - not only overclock but other locked driver features too. Though, overclocking was the most important. NVTweak 1.7.1 - NVIDIA tweaker. Worse than RT of course. Riva TNT Clock - overclocking for Riva TNT. Powerstrip - first universal VGA tweaking (and overclocking) utility! One of the oldest. It could even clock my S3 Trio64+. Other: ERAMN220 (the xp/2000 ramdisk Japanese oc'ers used in the past/not sure about now, extract with e.g. 7Zip) nHancer 2.2.1 - system optimizer. I consider it junk like other "optimizers" ZTAGP Tool (tool for AGP in chipsets like BX440, KT133, AMD 760 etc.) - AGP feature capability viewer and management like AGP mode, FW and SBA. This is just a short brief. All of you can read the readme yourself. I don't think any of you are banned from Google. Everything written by memory, could miss something.

Looks like I finally got it. Overview of models, speeds and cache : - K7 : 500-700MHz, 512KB cache - K75 (Pluto) : 550-850MHz, 512KB cache - K75 (Orion) : 900-1000MHz, 512KB cache - Thunderbird (SlotA) : 650-1000MHz, 256 cache http://www.cpu-info.com/index2.php?mainid=athlon and via CPU World. Almost got my brain cracked because of many crossroads. AMD itself calls the cores as Model 1 and Model 2. Argon was the codename for K7 project. Then marketing named it as Athlon. Whole bunch of info claims there were two cores - Argon+Pluto or Argon+Orion. Some name there were three but don't specify "which or witch". Most refer to cores as to K7 (0.25) and K75 (0.18). And I thought to stop on such a marking. But... Finally I've found this line: then I checked CPU world and found that I've been a little inattentive. Really, there is a revision with CPUID 622 which is marked as Orion. So the puzzle got together from the top. Orion is CPUID 622 (a new revision of K75, the 0.18um tech. process). Then Pluto is CPUID 621 (initial K75, based on newer 0.18um tech. process) and finally K7 is CPUID 612 (initial K7, 0.25um tech. process). And since the first core is usually named after the project codename, it got named "Argon". Anyone wanna argue?

You just post it there. It's the right category with the wrong category name We'll fix the name and everything will be fine.

Since I've been asked, I'll make it clear. You both are right and Karl pointed to the right category. But he didn't explain thoroughly why, and Mr.Scott is a brainiac no less than I am. Mr.Scott, you can see two 600MHz categories - the Pluto and Orion. But the true Orion was produced only in 900-1000MHz. HWBot made erroneous categories relying on bugged CPU-Z info or for the ease to users. So HWBot Pluto = CPU-Z Pluto = CPUID 612 = Argon core whereas HWBot Orion = CPU-Z Orion = CPUID 621 = Pluto core. You can check CPUID in both categories for proof. CPU-Z correctly detects CPUID, tech. process but calls Argon and Pluto as Pluto and Orion correspondingly. You send (should) send me a txt report from CPU-Z and I'll e-mail it to Franck Dellattre, the author of CPU-Z. Then we might check this and then fix categories on HWBot. P.S. oh, I'm starting to remember, the core name history is even more interesting

I'll make a thread. And I can manage them if you want. ludek111, Superpi bilds other from 1.5XS are not allowed on HWBot so it won't help (though, I have them all). Better install Win NT 4.0 - it is able to run 1.5XS on 486.

A Pentium Dual-core 997 misidentified as Celeron 810? http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Pentium_Dual-Core/Intel-Pentium%20Mobile%20997.html same clocks, same cache. There'll almost the same: http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare_CPUs/Intel_AV8062701147501,Intel_FF8062700848800,Intel_FF8062701159901/ Like I said - the CPU specification is what's burned in the CPU. It may be not informative but it's precise.

If required, I have a bunch of old tuning utilities, just ask what you need.

Diablo 2, HoMM 3, Morrowind. I don't think there's many games developed since then anyway

TASOS, please, do note that CPU-Z doesn't identify B815 correctly writing B810 in the top. But the correct B815 can be seen in the CPU specification line. That is, if you want to shift my results

And it's been posted several months ago...