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CPU stress utilities (like the modern Prime95, Lynx and others): CPU Heat Hot CPU Tester I also have burnCPU utilities (burn K6, burnK7 and others). CPUID (simple as it sounds - brothers of CPU-Z) Central Brain Identifier - built specifically for AMD K7 (Athlon XP and others) (also includes NF2 timings tweaker and IIRC multiplier management) AMD CPUID AMD CPU Info - never heard of these two. WCPUID - first well known CPUID utility. Identifies older hardware (up to s478?) pretty good. Also has plugins like Real Time Clock, multiplier management for K7, SSE enabling for Palomino, L2 cache latency for P2 and some others. CrystalCPUID - more than just CPUID utility. MSR read/write (if you don't know what it is, you don't need it), K6/K7/K8/Intel EIST multiplier and voltage management, Real Time Clock, lists of devices on PCI logical bus (if you don't know what it is, you don't need it) CPU utilities RMClock v17 - old version (latest is 2.13 IIRC) - an utility from iXBT.com, made for monitoring throttling, also has multiplier/voltage management via Intel EIST (and AMD C&Q). Can also enable/disable CPU powersaving features. CPUMSR - utility for enabling/disabling CPU features like cache, prefetching, write allocation and stuff (depends on CPU, supports K6/K7/K8 and Intel P4/ Pentium M). Timing editors: nForce2 Tweaker (by CodeRed) - most comprehensive NF2 editor. Others had much less timings to tweak. Athlon64 Tweaker - the first and fulfil A64 timing editor. Highly recommended. CPU Tweaker - the newest and popular timing editor (in case it's not some other CPU tweaker, will check later) TweakBios 153b - chipset tweaker for very old chipsets (up to 440BX). Works only under DOS. Overclocking: Clockgen NF2 - specifically for NF2 Clockgen NF3 - specifically for NF3 Clockgen NF4 - specifically for NF4 Clockgen 1.0.5.3 - universal overclock utility for many clockgens of that time. Dothan Clockgen - never heard of it. Probably a multi/voltage editor since overclocking doesn't depend on CPU. VGA BIOS editors: Ati HD38xx Bios Edit BiosMod (GF2 bios editor) GeForce123Edit (it was for GF and GF2 series I believe) + GeForce123 Runtime a BIOS editor and (IIRC) a VGA BIOS emulator! You could change VGA start screen text and view changes in the emulator. X-BIOS Editor 1.0 RC3 b520 - yet another NVIDIA BIOS editor. In fact, it's second name is the more known RVBEdit. RaBiT 2.2.1 - Radeon BIOS Tuner. Supports X800 series, doesn't support Radeon HD series. VGA voltage tune: Voltage Factory by AwardFabrik - IIRC, first stand-alone utility of such kind (before people used RT plugins to tweak voltage) VoltageTune 1.1.2.1 vt1165 (plugin for RivaTuner, HD4890 uses this voltage regulators) VGA utilities: nTimings 1.0 - timing editor for GF2-5. Based on NV15 BIOS source codes. Needs RT to be installed AFAIK. Coolbits.reg (unlock overclock in Forceware drivers) - not only overclock but other locked driver features too. Though, overclocking was the most important. NVTweak 1.7.1 - NVIDIA tweaker. Worse than RT of course. Riva TNT Clock - overclocking for Riva TNT. Powerstrip - first universal VGA tweaking (and overclocking) utility! One of the oldest. It could even clock my S3 Trio64+. Other: ERAMN220 (the xp/2000 ramdisk Japanese oc'ers used in the past/not sure about now, extract with e.g. 7Zip) nHancer 2.2.1 - system optimizer. I consider it junk like other "optimizers" ZTAGP Tool (tool for AGP in chipsets like BX440, KT133, AMD 760 etc.) - AGP feature capability viewer and management like AGP mode, FW and SBA. This is just a short brief. All of you can read the readme yourself. I don't think any of you are banned from Google. Everything written by memory, could miss something.

Looks like I finally got it. Overview of models, speeds and cache : - K7 : 500-700MHz, 512KB cache - K75 (Pluto) : 550-850MHz, 512KB cache - K75 (Orion) : 900-1000MHz, 512KB cache - Thunderbird (SlotA) : 650-1000MHz, 256 cache http://www.cpu-info.com/index2.php?mainid=athlon and via CPU World. Almost got my brain cracked because of many crossroads. AMD itself calls the cores as Model 1 and Model 2. Argon was the codename for K7 project. Then marketing named it as Athlon. Whole bunch of info claims there were two cores - Argon+Pluto or Argon+Orion. Some name there were three but don't specify "which or witch". Most refer to cores as to K7 (0.25) and K75 (0.18). And I thought to stop on such a marking. But... Finally I've found this line: then I checked CPU world and found that I've been a little inattentive. Really, there is a revision with CPUID 622 which is marked as Orion. So the puzzle got together from the top. Orion is CPUID 622 (a new revision of K75, the 0.18um tech. process). Then Pluto is CPUID 621 (initial K75, based on newer 0.18um tech. process) and finally K7 is CPUID 612 (initial K7, 0.25um tech. process). And since the first core is usually named after the project codename, it got named "Argon". Anyone wanna argue?

You just post it there. It's the right category with the wrong category name We'll fix the name and everything will be fine.

Since I've been asked, I'll make it clear. You both are right and Karl pointed to the right category. But he didn't explain thoroughly why, and Mr.Scott is a brainiac no less than I am. Mr.Scott, you can see two 600MHz categories - the Pluto and Orion. But the true Orion was produced only in 900-1000MHz. HWBot made erroneous categories relying on bugged CPU-Z info or for the ease to users. So HWBot Pluto = CPU-Z Pluto = CPUID 612 = Argon core whereas HWBot Orion = CPU-Z Orion = CPUID 621 = Pluto core. You can check CPUID in both categories for proof. CPU-Z correctly detects CPUID, tech. process but calls Argon and Pluto as Pluto and Orion correspondingly. You send (should) send me a txt report from CPU-Z and I'll e-mail it to Franck Dellattre, the author of CPU-Z. Then we might check this and then fix categories on HWBot. P.S. oh, I'm starting to remember, the core name history is even more interesting

I'll make a thread. And I can manage them if you want. ludek111, Superpi bilds other from 1.5XS are not allowed on HWBot so it won't help (though, I have them all). Better install Win NT 4.0 - it is able to run 1.5XS on 486.

A Pentium Dual-core 997 misidentified as Celeron 810? http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Pentium_Dual-Core/Intel-Pentium%20Mobile%20997.html same clocks, same cache. There'll almost the same: http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare_CPUs/Intel_AV8062701147501,Intel_FF8062700848800,Intel_FF8062701159901/ Like I said - the CPU specification is what's burned in the CPU. It may be not informative but it's precise.

If required, I have a bunch of old tuning utilities, just ask what you need.

Diablo 2, HoMM 3, Morrowind. I don't think there's many games developed since then anyway

TASOS, please, do note that CPU-Z doesn't identify B815 correctly writing B810 in the top. But the correct B815 can be seen in the CPU specification line. That is, if you want to shift my results

And it's been posted several months ago...

One of my favourite movies back in those days.

It might be that you've screwed the L1 mod. Not a fact but may be. It's not necessary to use a pencil but it's easier. Then some duct tape over it and you're good. Try to mod another CPU to confirm the board sets the multiplier fine. And then re-do the L1 mod on your CPU. Karl, we all were beginners. The only difference is that some of them think they know something and others work hard to raise their skills over and over again. I like the latter folks and trodas looks like one of them.

Since you have a ceramic Spitfire core, why didn't you simply use a pencil to connect the L1 bridges? Maybe these can help you: http://fab51.com/workshop/via/duron-e.html http://images.people.overclockers.ru/106443.gif http://images.people.overclockers.ru/105398.gif TiN has used jumpers in socket to set the bridges: http://www.overclockers.ru/images/lab/2004/07/30/09mobomod2.jpg instead of modding CPU pins. After L1 mod you should be able to set any multiplier. Maybe time to find a better board (again ). Abit NF7-S/AN7 should be cheap and they're great. Maybe your boards have problems with setting a multiplier. Try to check the L1 mod or do it with a pencil. And try a Thunderbird in both motherboards and whether the multiplier switches correctly or not.

I did 1k points team contribution in a month. Tough, but not impossible. I did this with 5.2 TPP submissions

LOL, nice improvement. But that's engine's idle performance. How about under load?

With all due respect, FUGGER - your screen says 18.92 Please, correct the info.

Dammit

I see the best way as follows: 1) 2D Lite (only point-awarded benchmarks, plus CPU-Z/GPU-Z) 2) 2D full (with beta benchmarks) 3) 3D Lite (only benchmarks with points) 4) 3D full Instead of 2D/3D Full may be a one full package. But I recommend to do a split 2D/3D lite.

Mine were ignored

Please, add Acer SAGE : http://valid.canardpc.com/y3ztgk board from Iconia W701 tablet.

Why dead? That was a common problem in the time of Socket A without ATX12V connector. It's just a bit dirty. Clean the plastic and move one

Congratulations, nice one!

Kinda like this (to give you a clue what Major meant above)

Well, you've misunderstood me a bit. That is dead wrong. It's HWBot - we don't care how fast it is by itself. We card about how it compares to other submissions with this card. I've been recently benchmarking Socket 7 and believe me - that was slow! Nevertheless, I got some gold cups and points too. And a pound of pleasure.So the wrong point was not about using Radeon 9100 but about recapping a card that has weak memory chips. You can push the GPU in most cases. But if the memory is weak there is not too much you can do about it. Your test prove it. But anyway, your 9100 journey can help you get points. My main rants were about the MSI board The only bold advice is as follows - "Don't stop and keep pushing".

trodas, I like what you're doing because you're doing something more than "crank the voltage, pour LN2 and click the soft-clock utility" what most do. I'm not pushing on you and if I really thought this suxx, I wouldn't spend my time to comment. I comment because I see efforts that are very likely to be worthless. When you spend a decent amount of time on hardware that was a bad choice from the beginning and the results are moderate at best. It's like trying to hit top results achieved on modded DFI NF2 Ultra B with an highly modded ECS/MSI board and not being able to hit even a non-modded one. Just want to keep you from early disappointment. BTW, the Radeon 9100 is in fact a re-branded 8500 so no wonder the share the same PCB and all the stuff