Antinomy

Ticket ID: 1473 Priority: Medium http://hwbot.org/hardware/motherboard/585lmr/ please rename the chipset "GRA HT8501" to MVP4. This is just a remarking for MVP4. PCchips aka Elpina aka Amptron used this trick very often. There was a number of TX2, TX3 and Super TX chipsets which were in fact just SiS chipsets of different flavors. Found this during the report: http://www.cpushack.com/2010/02/11/when-old-is-new-the-via-ht8501-chipset-aka-the-viagra/ Case 2 http://hwbot.org/hardware/motherboards#key=m1543 there was no such chipset. Only 1541/1542. Google shows that 5ALI61 was using 1542 north bridge. ALI 1543 is the southbridge like ALI 1533. So move this board to ALI 1542 and delete this section. Case 3 Can anyone tell why is socket 478 in AMD CPU section? That's all for this time.

Ticket ID: 1472 Priority: Medium http://hwbot.org/hardware/motherboard/infinity_nf4x/ - this page appears to be broken. Doesn't show any info. And it's not present in the socket 754 NF4-4x motherboard list either: http://hwbot.org/hardware/motherboards#key=nforce4__4x

Highgertz, nice! How much do you get with only Switch User+Aerotuner?

Especially if the memory was indeed run at default in the first test.

All hardware components are rated to work at a certain frequency. This frequency is usually far from what the hardware can really hit. It's because manufacturers leave some reserve to verify that their hardware will work stable under worst conditions - high temperatures, bad power supply, ECS motherboards and so on. On the other hand this means that providing good conditions to the CPU we can elevate it's stable frequency. And this is exactly where overclocking starts from. Why bother buying the high-end $1k CPUs when their only difference from cheaper ones is usually the frequency? It's just the manufacturer who tested them to work stable on higher frequency and rated them appropriately. Using mentioned earlier tricks we can achieve even higher speed than those high-end CPUs. Assume your lovely BF3 says your videocard can run only solitaire. Well sometimes this is true. But sometimes you need only a little boost to shot the lags. It's always cheaper to use the same GPU for a bunch of VGA models just crippling it with either pipelines or frequency. Sometimes you can get the disabled pipes work. And even if it's not the case there's frequency slider left. You bump it and get higher frequency than the top card using this GPU had. The next thing that comes to your mind - hey, how can I get even more from this one? You compare the conditions both card work at and see that the more powerful one runs at higher voltage while being based on the same GPU. You raise the voltage of your card and get extra MHz. Then you raise the voltage a little bit more. There the heat issue strikes you. You improve the cooling and temps lower down. Then it's videomemory time. You read the datasheet on the memory chips and see that this model line is presented with a number of models. And the high-end ones use higher memory timings and voltage. Since they're based on the same silicon you want to check your guess. You modify the timings and raise the voltage using the high-end chips as an example. You achieve even higher frequency and thus overall VGA performance. Then you read the datasheet more attentively and find the "Absolute max ratings" and you see that the voltage you've set is far from what the chip manufacturer has checked as an acceptable limit. You raise the voltage even more and you see that they chips are really hot. You stick radiators on them and put a fan to cool them down. And you get some more speed and some more FPS. Oh, BF3 is running nice - go to the fridge and get some bear before shooting time starts. But then you think that not everything in your computer is pushed to the limit at that thought doesn't let you sleep at night. You start overclocking the CPU, the RAM. Then you think - hey maybe my card is the fastest of it's kind? You find HWBot... hey, what the f**k is LN2? You start looking for Dewar ads and saving pocket money to get 20L. Well that's a whole different story where the extreme part starts. It's like the transition from hobby car tuning to Formula 1 where you need to realize what you are going to do.

Karl, there's another one - it's chipset is 865PE, not 865P. http://www.gigabyte.ru/products/page/mb/ga-8ipe1000_2x Stop drinking and moderating in the same time

Thanks! But why did you name it 8IPE1000P? It's 8IPE1000 http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=1866

Ticket ID: 1421 Priority: Medium There\'s already a 8IPE1000-G and 8IPE1000P-G but no vanilla GA-8IPE1000.\r\nvalidation here: http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=2129632\r\nThank you in advance!

At last Thank you, PJ!

Did you flash all three parts of the BIOS? updating GX2 BIOSes is more complicated than a single card.

Massman, it was not only about mouse moving - I wouldn't ask if it was that simple. O.K. - everything goes, but don't replace the app/browser/codec - right? I got your point, thank you for the answer!

Christian, I love that sexy card in the left bottom corner on the first photo. What's that - a GF4 Ti I suppose? What vendor and model?

New rules suck. Just one small step in the right direction is not enough. You told was is allowed and what is not about one single subtest (video/audio encoding). And the rules already existed about RAMdisk (HDD sybtests) and browser (replacing with a third-side browser). So PCMark doesn't have any other tests? What about transparent windows - what's allowed and what is not? And so on.

Well, first I agree to Bruce - the HWBot rules are too lousy. Apart from that they aren't always applied. And another example is PCM. Why is updating the browser allowed while updating codec (not replacing with another, just updating with a more optimized version that does the same thing) not? Why is updating to Vista/7 and thus using GPU rendering for floating windows, "Any software or human interaction causing the benchmark to use different calculation algorithms as intended by the original software creator. E.g. replacing the codec or browser in PCMark2005." e.g. using Aero legal while updating a codec isn't? Another thing is that besides the cheaty settings like resolution, Powertoy allows setting up priority and system tweaks (multicore or am I wrong here?) - how does that alter the algorythm? If we allowed to change LOD, are we allowed to set resolution of, say, the floating windows? Rules is a thing that must be done right. And it definitely isn't now. If it's possible to make a normal statement so that everyone understands what's in the rules and what does break them - let's do it. If it's impossible - let's dump it. I agree to Bruce in this case.

So now we get to PCM again I suggest to make full subtest details mandatory. For example, two screenshots with the upper and lower parts. Stelaras, as I remember, the video encoder's registry entries allowed to set the number of cores being used. Maybe the 1.2.2 build does the same? Did you try to run the integrated Vista performance test to see what happens with Transparent windows score?

Multiple category search. For example - 3DMark (certain one) with certain CPU on a list of GPUs (or a GPU family). And vice versa - a certain GPU with different CPUs (either 2-3 certain models or a whole family like Core2 45nm). Same request goes for search feature. And what will the main difference between compare and search appear to be?

Bruce, were you replying to me? He doesn't have h/w results higher than mine and has a lot of global team points. I can now see h/w rankings for teams. But still can't see a teams power points list of submissions.

K404, you don't loose points. Either you beat your team's previous best global/hardware results and gain some points or not and gain only user points which give 10% to your team. I can't see a way to lower team's TPP. But what sucks is that I can't see team power points, only their sum. I want to see rankings pretty much like the user ones. And I need them pretty more than user ones. Rankings, what points did my team get with who's submission and what teams are higher. All like the user rankings. So I can get a calc and be sure that a teammate having 4-5 times less points in user profile along with 10x higher team contribution is not a bug and how did he achieve such a condition.

I wanna know - when will BOT be fully available? I can't seem to view either my team's global points (global team submission details) nor the hardware submissions. Both link are available on the wall and both don't work. Same goes for points - when will they be calculated correctly? Yes, they clearly don't seem to be now. That's about team power points contributed from members - it's wrong.

Too obvious - 6 phases and tantalum SMD caps

Chiller, I've just listed what the features are there but are disabled. I can unlock them by my own, it'll take only one cup of coffee If you contact with EVGA better ask about 8GB and more of memory per channel. As I've heard neither a single 8GB module nor 2*4GB on same channel work after reboot (they boot but after saving CMOS the system doesn't start). And some want even more memory, say 8GB modules in all slots.

Only C1E? LOL There's a bunch of locked stuff left - QPI slow mode, Memory controller mode (Xeon/NUMA stuff), peripheral stuff - PCI-E ports Priority, Enable/Disable and APIC. Some other stuff like "Hit del message display" and "Wait for "F1" if Error". Might be even more, didn't look deeper. Well, the memory mode is more like RAM RAID. While NUMA has a different menu hidden a bit deeper.

TiN, it's a bulk for a linear stab - not even pulse. And anyway the frequency would be too low. So is this particular case it doesn't matter. It's not a 2900xt or gtx580. Oh, and I remind you again about inductance lessons and all stuff

Voted yes - both global and public. It's one of the most fun benchmarks.

Yes, but now it's going to be included as a box cooling solution