Antinomy

New rules suck. Just one small step in the right direction is not enough. You told was is allowed and what is not about one single subtest (video/audio encoding). And the rules already existed about RAMdisk (HDD sybtests) and browser (replacing with a third-side browser). So PCMark doesn't have any other tests? What about transparent windows - what's allowed and what is not? And so on.

Well, first I agree to Bruce - the HWBot rules are too lousy. Apart from that they aren't always applied. And another example is PCM. Why is updating the browser allowed while updating codec (not replacing with another, just updating with a more optimized version that does the same thing) not? Why is updating to Vista/7 and thus using GPU rendering for floating windows, "Any software or human interaction causing the benchmark to use different calculation algorithms as intended by the original software creator. E.g. replacing the codec or browser in PCMark2005." e.g. using Aero legal while updating a codec isn't? Another thing is that besides the cheaty settings like resolution, Powertoy allows setting up priority and system tweaks (multicore or am I wrong here?) - how does that alter the algorythm? If we allowed to change LOD, are we allowed to set resolution of, say, the floating windows? Rules is a thing that must be done right. And it definitely isn't now. If it's possible to make a normal statement so that everyone understands what's in the rules and what does break them - let's do it. If it's impossible - let's dump it. I agree to Bruce in this case.

So now we get to PCM again I suggest to make full subtest details mandatory. For example, two screenshots with the upper and lower parts. Stelaras, as I remember, the video encoder's registry entries allowed to set the number of cores being used. Maybe the 1.2.2 build does the same? Did you try to run the integrated Vista performance test to see what happens with Transparent windows score?

Multiple category search. For example - 3DMark (certain one) with certain CPU on a list of GPUs (or a GPU family). And vice versa - a certain GPU with different CPUs (either 2-3 certain models or a whole family like Core2 45nm). Same request goes for search feature. And what will the main difference between compare and search appear to be?

Bruce, were you replying to me? He doesn't have h/w results higher than mine and has a lot of global team points. I can now see h/w rankings for teams. But still can't see a teams power points list of submissions.

K404, you don't loose points. Either you beat your team's previous best global/hardware results and gain some points or not and gain only user points which give 10% to your team. I can't see a way to lower team's TPP. But what sucks is that I can't see team power points, only their sum. I want to see rankings pretty much like the user ones. And I need them pretty more than user ones. Rankings, what points did my team get with who's submission and what teams are higher. All like the user rankings. So I can get a calc and be sure that a teammate having 4-5 times less points in user profile along with 10x higher team contribution is not a bug and how did he achieve such a condition.

I wanna know - when will BOT be fully available? I can't seem to view either my team's global points (global team submission details) nor the hardware submissions. Both link are available on the wall and both don't work. Same goes for points - when will they be calculated correctly? Yes, they clearly don't seem to be now. That's about team power points contributed from members - it's wrong.

Too obvious - 6 phases and tantalum SMD caps

Chiller, I've just listed what the features are there but are disabled. I can unlock them by my own, it'll take only one cup of coffee If you contact with EVGA better ask about 8GB and more of memory per channel. As I've heard neither a single 8GB module nor 2*4GB on same channel work after reboot (they boot but after saving CMOS the system doesn't start). And some want even more memory, say 8GB modules in all slots.

Only C1E? LOL There's a bunch of locked stuff left - QPI slow mode, Memory controller mode (Xeon/NUMA stuff), peripheral stuff - PCI-E ports Priority, Enable/Disable and APIC. Some other stuff like "Hit del message display" and "Wait for "F1" if Error". Might be even more, didn't look deeper. Well, the memory mode is more like RAM RAID. While NUMA has a different menu hidden a bit deeper.

TiN, it's a bulk for a linear stab - not even pulse. And anyway the frequency would be too low. So is this particular case it doesn't matter. It's not a 2900xt or gtx580. Oh, and I remind you again about inductance lessons and all stuff

Voted yes - both global and public. It's one of the most fun benchmarks.

Yes, but now it's going to be included as a box cooling solution

Don't think so. Max CPU frequency is where it all began. Max bus speed tells us a bit about the speed of the system and max memory speed tells nothing. Can you tell what is better - DDR2-800 3-2-2- or DDR2-1000 6-6-6-? The last has higher frequency it should be rewarded higher, right? I just think that removing CPU-Z was incorrect. As for other speed things - they don't tell us much about the resultive speed of the system so I agree with you.

Don't think so. Max CPU frequency is where it all began. Max bus speed tells us a bit about the speed of the system and max memory speed tells nothing. Can you tell what is better - DDR2-800 3-2-2- or DDR2-1000 6-6-6-? The last has higher frequency it should be rewarded higher, right? I just think that removing CPU-Z was incorrect. As for other speed things - they don't tell us much about the resultive speed of the system so I agree with you.

CPU-Z doesn't get boints? :eek: what the heck?

First thought - navigation became really nasty. The top border is too wide meaning you can't see any useful info without scrolling. It would be better if everything vital would be right when the screen is opened and only additional info would require scrolling the page down. Can't see team members list on the members tab in team profile - is that a bug or a feature? Can't see rankings within country, for example: http://uat.hwbot.org/country/canada Not all results are indexed, is it true? Looks like some profiles aren't in the rankings. And typos of all kinds like: but

Not only product pages for families but families as a search criteria, do you get the idea? For this one: http://hwbot.org/init.results.search.do And number of CPUs too. Say, I want to look through all dual Pentium 3 results made in PCMark. Or dual socket A and wPrime.

Massman, will it be possible to make a search not only by certain CPU/GPU model but by family or core name? Like - all E6xxx Pentiums or E4xxx Core2 and so on. It would be very handy. And person/team points update history - so you can take a look not only how much places but also how much points and from what submission did a team gain for a day/week/month. And who leaved/joined the team - meaning all team point factors should be included in the list. And not only your own team but any, like the team rankings show the place updates now. I hope implementing these two small thing won't delay the rev. for a year

Gigabyte "air MHz technology" in action

There's no problem to set Tras=1 but no advantage either Nice result!

Yeah, my girlfriend says I'm looking like an elf and doesn't allow to cut my hair so they are pretty close to the original They guy above doesn't have long hair at all.

Yep. I didn't say they should be in one month. And not even two in a row Idea was about splitting WS/Server and adding PCM05 to WS. And since we started, I remember a twin-head WS achievement suggestion. Think of it again - the current about 10 submissions is too simple

Agree - the competition doesn't give you any improvement in boints and the sharing rule was exactly about that. And this situation came up only because a GPU benchmark is ranked by CPU. It's like we've made a PCMark05 run with different videocards as stages but without dividing by CPU. So it's up to the crew to think about such a case.

Massy, you didn't get the point. For example, there can be one competition about workstation having PCMark05, wPrime 1024M. This will give 5-way for s7, s370 and s462. Another one, server could handle wPrime 1024 and/or PCM Vantage.