Antinomy

Massman, I've got the idea about calculating team result the way the user results do know, that is what I meant in other words (and you rephrased it in HWBot algorithm terms). The individual rankings can be fixed by implementing the "one team - one best results" only to team rankings e.g. using different algorithms for team and personal ladders. Yes, the system will be a bit more complex, but it's always a contradiction between easiness of rules and their ability to manage the members not making dirty tricks. I'll try to model what happens now and what will be the main directions of activity with the alternate idea and try to fix the problems caused by it. Only a thought experiment, nothing more As for the newcomers - I've got a E8400 C0 installed in the rig I'm typing from now. Can you tell me, how much will I get on a box cooler? Just a novice example. As well as the 8800GTS 512 on this CPU. Let's say E8400 will go about 4200-4300 without getting overheated under box cooling. The problem of a novice not able to achieve boints still exists, the rev. 3 improved it but didn't fix. But the rev. 3 gave trash-benching when you get a bunch of boints on a good rig without hard work. So there's no ideal solution anyway.

This was discussed quite a number of times. I've suggested this one in 2007 and I'm pretty sure that I wasn't the first one. I want to argue on a complication: Massman, if I post 20 results on one piece of hardware in one benchmark and a guy posts a worse score - he'll get like if he was 21st or 2nd? why do you judge of the new rules within the old ones? If it's "best result scored" the 2nd till 10th won't matter like it's now with personal scores. As for the second - yes, such situation makes it harder for the novice but this will shift the situation like it was with rev. 2 - more people will go to old-school since it's easier to grab scores there. They'll bring a big variety of categories, not like it's now - "Get an i7 rig, and plug as much G80, G92, RV770, RV870 as you can and you'll get more boints than this guy ever see even with his amount of CPUs". I hope you follow my mind Yes, a novice won't get scores on a stock 4870, but how much can he make in 3DMark01 on stock now? Is the situation really going to get worse? No, it's going to get different. Newcomers won't try to get hot hardware in order to make the category even more hot but they'll more likely get less popular one and improve their skills in such a sandbox. It's just an answer on your arguments, I don't say this way is perfect - it obviously isn't like many others are too.

Massman, you can compare 3DMark Vantage on older hardware and see that there is a difference Some didn't want to install Vista and the didn't run the benchmark.

Maybe Bruce was speaking about DX11 for DX11 cards and DX9 for the rest? Then there's no over-weighted categories.

LOL I thought that 109 are the boints achieved but it's the benchmark score

Agree to this and 3D benching for me and my teammates will be closed as we can't afford and i7 (not speaking about gulf, at least 920) config and Wolfdale for each team member. Disagree and guys that binned a Gulftown will proceed using it for 5-10 members. As they binned it, they can easily post a photo with 10-20 gulfs so nothing will change for them.

Even fans and thermal grease? Total prohibition is unwise - ridiculous situations like PSU and other stuff. You want to change the disallowed list - make an opinion. But don't suggest to disallow just everything.

You've just posted an obvious fact - where's the opinion? As to me an opinion is either a statement to be discussed or a suggestion on how to fix this. Don't see none of these. Or retelling the facts is it? Don't judge this as offensive.

Some 6OXET power? Nice one, GraduS.

LOL on that Agree on that. And there are such ways, you know. I've written you a number of times on this as I remember.

You realized that only now?

Nice score! Look like a little contest starting up - I better grab some pizza and beer and watch the show

The main question is whether it'll be s/w accessible

Wow! 212 is insane! GraduS, it's on air

Can people who run the competition check whether the memory frequency is shown only in CPU-Z 1.55 or both 1.54 and 1.55? Looks like Franck made another stealth update a I don't know what bugs I've reported on he did fix and which ones he didn't I know he fixed an old bug used by a number of cheaters, checked that.

Very nice!

How can you prove that the piano didn't fall from the window by accident?

Nice result, OptyTrooper!

I'll write Franck after he fixes the bugs I've written before. If I send him more bug reports of feature requests, he'll stop writing back like Massman

No, I've seen it, thank you

Officially - yes. But sometimes you just have to ask and say "please"

I don't see any problems in your submission. You mean it doesn't show the default frequency? Well, Linux isn't able too - it can make you think it does Take a socket 7, change the multi and Linux will get confused too.

TiN was born with a soldering iron in his hand - make sure that guys tells the same

Lol

DrSwizz, you uploaded two validation files. I asked to the "TXT report" it's on the last tab, the "About" one.