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Might as well cancel the group buy idea. [emoji16] You are not gonna get enough orders from Elite league alone & people are not moving to Elite league for 1 motherboard. Hope you'd see through the BS, but that didn't happen. Over & out.

This is my final post on the matter (Or atleast i hope so). The reason Hwbot has a different league & separate restrictions in place for ES hardware is because ES hardware gives people unfair advantage as it is superior to retail & exclusive. If there wasn't that superiority/exclusivity stuff, no one would care (or the majority wouldn't) to make it restricted. The way this board's buy-in stands right now, it is not going to give a group of people unfair advantage & as such, shouldn't be restricted to Elite leagues. You can argue that it doesn't fit the definition of retail or whatever, i would think that majority of people here don't care whether the stuff they are benching is retail or not as long as everyone is on a level playing field. So you can call it ES, call it Bunnying Super Duper Exclusive Classist Motherbaord or whatever. But if you are trying to restrict it to Elite league, you are full of sheet & you know it. Edit:- I will say that its an ES until the group buy happens. Edit2:- I wasn't aware that Chilli-man won it in a competition. That's kind of a blurry area. I can't blame the guy, but the situation is unique. Maybe its time to make a rule for "ES" given away as prizes, whatever the community chooses, but atleast make sure that we don't have to have this discussion again in the future.

Its not ES either. Can you buy ES from Intel, Gskill, Asus.?? And also get them for your 50 friends.? ES are exclusive, this board won't be. People complain all the time that companies dont listen to overclockers and release products that overclockers want. Here we get an attempt to get a product overclockers want & people still complain. Funny thing is that George is fine with calling this board retail if Hwbot opens a webshop. That changes nothing about how this board came to be, but supposedly fixes his concern. Don't know what's different from buying it from a webshop or a group buy like this. Seems needless nitpicking to me. As if it had one to begin with. I do agree with other stuff you said about Gigabyte & hope you get that sub removed.

I just tried to break his message down to smaller parts so I can address them separately. How is this a specific group..? Anyone can join in on this group big they wish to. Doenst matter if you are a gamer on OCN or an extreme overclocker. The only thing you need to do to be a part of this "specific group" is to go ahead & say that you want to buy one, if & when Hwbot gets the group buy to work. No one is being told that he can't buy it. In fact, the more the merrier because we need more orders for the buy to actually happen & happen at a good price. The only thing insider about this buy is that we can get a board that Gigabyte wasn't ready to make because they don't see enough demand for it.

Are you suggesting that its an ES because Gigabyte is the seller..? Isn't it being re-sold by Hwbot....? To me, an ES is something that specifically engineered to be superior to retail stuff & you cannot get it even if you wanted to. Because it is only being handed out to a select few. If this group buy goes through, the second condition won't be satisfied, which makes it not ES, in my opinion. This here To me, the only worthwhile argument against this being called retail is the fact that you cannot buy it at a later stage. But that opens another can of worms as i said. That its an ES because its not being sold by Newegg, CaseKing, OCUK,etc etc. That is a very bad argument.

There have been limited run things before, Z97 SOC Ln2 board comes to mind, which isn't considered an ES. Limited run != ES If you missed out on buying it when it was available, than how is it the manufacturer's fault.? A teammate bought a Gskill B-die kit @ launch, from Newegg. Gskill then choose not to ever release another kit with the same spec. Does that make it ES..? It was bought through retail channels without any special preferential treatment. He just got lucky, nothing else. By you guys' definition, every discontinued product would become an ES. Have you thought of that..? Edit:- I agree with you that its not this black & white. But I still don't think it should be an ES.

You can buy when the group buy goes through. At that moment it becomes a retail product instead of ES. You are welcome. Sent from my Nexus 5X using Tapatalk

Is it really ES when you can buy it if you want to.?? I don't think so.

Is it too much to ask for mem vendors to not use retail SPD..? Maybe some overclocker who is a lawyer can sue them for false advertising or something. Knock some sense into them. As for the other ES stuff, I agree with you. But i don't Hwbot will. Sent from my Nexus 5X using Tapatalk

Let's also ban ES mems so people don't have to spend $1000s of dollars binning retail, only to find inferior hardware. Everyone likes this, right.? Right......?

Teams can't win a rookie rumble since it's an individual effort event.

I figured it wouldn't be that cheap, but a man can dream. Speaking of cheap though, as per my understanding, part of the reason regular SOC Force is so expensive is that because it has PLX chip & heatsink has inbuilt water cooling functionality. We know water cooling won't be there for the ln2 version. Should we also get rid of the PLX chip (if its not gone already)? PLX chips are very expensive (so i've heard) & no bencher is running 4-way on Z170/Z270, so getting rid of it should help us bring the cost down even more. Max we need is 2-way for Legacies. No point in having more than 2 slots on the board. Good Point.

I think make another poll for warranty no warranty, unless people can all agree on the same thing. Which is doubtful. Personally, if skipping warranty brings it to that first option (<$150), I would personally just buy 2 & call it a day. 😀 Sent from my Nexus 5X using Tapatalk

Nice edit. 3778 C11 is the same as 3600C12...? Some people also had 1825 marks with 5G Tweaker challenge, we should bring those scores back too. I have no vendetta against stivut, but 5G core & 4.8G issh uncore with low mem speeds has been a characteristic that has shown up in several bugged runs. I'm just pointing out that this result is falling in line with other bugged results. Just because the submitted score doenst have a huge discrepancy, doenst make it legit. He could've had other results that were more significantly out of line & choose to submit the one that looks the most realistic while still being a good score. That can happen. This discussion wouldn't even be happening if this wasn't a broken bench, but that's a issue best not brought up here. Sent from my Nexus 5X using Tapatalk

You need 1625 @ 4.5 for 1800 @ 5 Not to mention this guy isn't even running 5G core, forget uncore. Spin it however you want, run is bugged. Sent from my Nexus 5X using Tapatalk

I think they used to do it a while ago. Newegg returns have really tightened up in the recent years. Even on Non-CPU items, they charge a restocking fee, unless you have a premium account. Sent from my Nexus 5X using Tapatalk

This again. I dunno why everyone in Australia thinks you can return CPUs to Newegg, but that's simply not true. Please read, this has already been addressed before Best you can do is return maybe a 3-4 CPUs to Amazon or local shop before you get kicked out. I hope i don't need to point out to anyone what 3-4 CPUs gets you on Skl. Edit:- Jason snipe.

Newegg doesn't take CPUs back. No matter who you are.

This can work for CPUs, but it is almost impossible to do this with memory. Because its literally impossible to get rid of the rejects. Gamers don't want to buy the high speed kits, unless you give it away for like half of the price. I can't speak for the world, but atleast in USA, until the majority of people stop buying cheapest 2133mhz DDR4, mem binning is gonna be a 50â„… loss game. CPUs are easier to sell off (at a loss of course) , but then there's that stigma against delidded chips, which is again, a USA centered problem as far as I have seen. Even after you do all that, your "best CPU" still might suck compared to others. Basically, i might be repeating what others said. A lot of these CPU binners you see around here, are able to sustain their "business" with profits because they never pay retail for those chips in the first place. So even the rejects are sold at a profit. If you can find a way to do that, go to town. [emoji6] Let's not throw around words like "fair" tho. Sent from my Nexus 5X using Tapatalk

Doesn't make a difference as far as I know. But as I said, there should be an "Execute disable bit" option in newer BIOSes. I believe its under Advanced->CPU configuration. Sent from my Nexus 5X using Tapatalk

You don't need the BIOS to support no execute. You can do noexecute=alwaysoff as a switch in boot.ini Similar to how you do Maxmem. Edit:- That said, the newer BIOSes are supposed to have an execute disable bit, option in advance Cpu settings.

Can someone elaborate why Gtx 1060 is allowed but Rx 480 isn't...? They are both direct competitors in respective manufacturer's lineup & even cost the same...

No ACPI BIOS for little board..? How to get XP working on the board..? Sent from my Nexus 5X using Tapatalk

Keep sucking upto Intel, Hwbot. Its not like you have any credibility left.

[emoji33] From where.?