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A new feature in Rev5 is the Front-page Voting Tool. This feature does not require that much explanation: it's a tool we can use to add POLLs to the frontpage. Currently, the tool has been installed, but just in the sidebar. You can find the POLL in every sidebar on HWBOT. In the future, we hope to have this feature evolve into a structure for community members, visitors as well as team captains to discuss and vote on new features and ideas. But, that might be for Rev6 only. The voting tool allows us to create polls for specific user groups by adding parameters. The parameters currently include: - # submissions - league - country/region - points We are currently testing the voting tool to see how effective it is compared to the forum polls. We are using the "Reconsider How Ties Receive Points" discussion as test. The limitations are set as follows: - submissions: minimum 1

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Nvidia does not allow custom GTX Titan versions. The custom versions is for the new card.

MSI just posted this picture on their Facebook page. In the background you can see the MOA website. Yup, MOA will be held for the sixth consecutive year! :celebration:

You need a badge for Computex (register at the link above) and that will give you access to the tradeshow floors in the main hall. Some vendors have booths at other places, but that can be arranged. For the after-hours OC events, it would be useful to have a list of who will attend just so the guys at the HQs have a rough idea of the number.

Fyi, registration for the Computex event is now open: https://computex.leadexpo.com/EN-index.html

Not sure. These are all different events, with some on the tradeshow floor and others on different locations. Maybe Overclocking-TV can help with the exposure?

7 events in the planning - pretty much overclocking events and stuff going on from June 1 until June 14. If you're still considering whether or not Computex will be worth it ... I can tell you it will be worth it BIG TIME!!

The thread is still in the same place ... ?

I put it in my mouth ...

The same argument can be made for someone that is a little bit under the 1st place and, with a couple of old tweaks, manages a tie and sees their points increased.

I'll remove the part about XOC later, before it spirals out of control. I'm just saying that the discussion about sponsorship definition will have to be done within the XOC at some point. No change is even close to being planned or even considered! XOL is functioning pretty well imho!

Anyway, last night and this morning I took the liberty of re-reading the thread from the absolute beginning as well as going over a bunch of F1OC related discussion threads. I specifically searched for suggestions/ideas in the Pro OC thread and from the sometimes a bit harsh comments, this is the selection of actual suggestions I found. They are listed as I found them (went over the thread multiple times actually, so maybe not in order of date): Add an additional "Pro OC List" to the ranking page, listing all the Pro OC members and records (by Slamms) Include current-gen mainstream hardware to spark mainstream audience interest (by Splave) Have stages end at a random time (within 36h) to reduce sandbagging (by 0jo, K404) Bonus points as incentive for people to submit scores quicker and not sandbag (by K404, Knopflerbruce) Easy up the season schedule by going from a 4-Cup structure to a 3-Cup structure with one month break in between (by Dinos22) Reduce amount of benchmarks to 3 and limit Cup time to 2 months (by SF3D) Increase amount of eliminations, eg: after one month only top20, after another two weeks only top 10, last week top 5 (by SF3D) Add cash prizes as incentive for overclockers to participate (by Xtreme Addict) Add gaming benchmarks to make overclocking more relevant to gamers (by Rbuass) The points in bold I think are great ideas and can actually be implemented with a very limited amount of effort. The prizes are a work-in-progress, but obviously it's not easy to find hard cash for new ideas like this (even with overclockers working for vendors). The Pro OC List could be implemented on the same page as the Pro OC Ranking (season standings based on the Cup results), under the Team and Member ranking and be regarded as something like a "free trade / player" list. The list should be alphabetical to prevent people from using it as a ranking (or "league"). The one month break between Cups is a really easy feature to implement ... just have to kick off the second Cup one month later. The other options were discussed as well, but will actually require development time to implement. Some ideas are good, some a bit less good, I think. //edit: remove the XOL part not to confuse people with "an idea" and "to be implemented asap".

You're arguing on both sides of the fence, stating you "want new benchmarks" and "miss the old records". Fyi, the "Crysis LN2 overclocking" was tried before at Assembly Summer 2010. We played Crysis one-vs-one with liquid nitrogen cooled systems and in total there was 0 more interest than running a 3DMark benchmark over and over again. In fact, the 4-Way SLI cooled system was drawing more crowd than an LN2 cooled gaming machine. When people say all this extreme overclocking does not mean anything for real life, they are refering to the liquid nitrogen, not the benchmark application you're running.

Seems like you missed the news? http://hwbot.org/forum/showthread.php?t=63570

Is it possible that Jaan edited the submitted result? Surely this would have been caught during the competition - participants are always closely watching what happens in the competitions.

So, at the end of the year Frederik asked me what I'd like as an end-of-the-year present for all my hard work work effort presence at the organisation. So this is what I wanted more than anything else ... Probably not going to use it, just a collectible really! :nana:

1 of the 5 stages could be that, I guess, but most of it should be top-end stuff. Or maybe make it 2x GPU mainstream. Also, we'll have to go for AMD for those ones as Nvidia doesn't really give out cold bioses for those cards. Or maybe a stage where both are allowed ... putting some pressure to actually get those bioses out, haha.

Yeah, we need a decent mobile app for HWBOT to browse stuff like rankings. I've in the development backlog ... but it's a lot of dev time

I like point incentive, but it might be complicated to express the information in a single page if we do it on a weekly basis (ie: get points for being #1 in a certain week). Alternatives: - add point bounties for various in-comp achievements such as "holeshot", "longest lead", "world record". - multiple eliminations, speeding up towards the end. Eg: elimination 1 month before end, two weeks before end, one week before end then every day until there are only three teams left for the last day For the elimination, we could do it on stage-basis rather than overall basis. Instead of the last in the overall ranking being eliminated from the entire competition, eliminate the last from each stage. If you're eliminated from one stage, you might still have the option to compete in the others. Eliminate, in this case, would mean "can no longer submit", so you would keep the points earned in the stage.

- Having a one month break between Cups sounds like a good idea. Not just because, as you mentioned, of the time to re-arrange the teams and preventing burn-outs, but also because it will give wiggle room to fit the Cup into new hardware releases. Easy to implement. - Bringing back the Pro OC League is not an option, for reasons I already mentioned. - Freestyle comps will always be available at HWBOT. - Running one benchmark per month makes it too easy for individuals to dominate the competition, though. - Having a competition of 6-8 months is quite long and, over time, interest will be lost. The shorter the competition time, the faster you can see who won/lost and the faster you can redeem yourself. Also, it gives more opportunities for new people to step in. - Live updates/scoreboards/feeds is a great idea, but never worked in practice (no one shows scores before the end of the comp). Requiring multiple submissions per stage will just increase the workload, something you've already said is impossible. - Multiple eliminations (SF3D suggestion): possible, but increases the workload again.

I'm not setting up any bait, I'm just wondering if you are not worried by those statements. I strongly believe that Team.AU and HWBOT has a great following in your region. But how many people describe TeamAU as part of the Pro OC League? And how many just look up to TeamAU because you are "extreme guys from Australia"? I did my homework, I went over a bunch of Australian forums and tried to find a single soul discussion your stance in the Pro OC League ... but I could find little to no references. Perhaps it was mentioned once every hundred posts but that's about it. I can't help but be worried that people like Rasparthe and Mikecdm, who enjoy overclocking, actively participate in the hobby and understand the basics behind the leagues and HWBOT in general, are less than inspired by what you can accomplish with TeamAU. The sheer lack of enthusiasm of perhaps not-so-super-extreme overclockers for what the absolute top extreme guys are doing is a real problem as far as I'm concerned. If the environment you are active in, the Pro OC League, has so little impact on people that are interested and active right now, how on earth would it have any impact on people that are just interested but not yet active? As for your help-to-kickstart remark: the Cup format is seasonal (new start every 3 months), flexible (hardware and benchmark change) and the XOC league is open to join for most of the people that moved to Pro OC (eg: Gunslinger, SoF, ...). It's not maybe not seasonal and flexible in the way you wanted it to be, from an organisational point of view there are soem concerns with your approach, but that doesn't mean it's something completely else. It's okay for you to dislike it, but to say it's not something it actually is, well, that's just incorrect. But, I'm glad to know what your requirements for kick-start support are now. Did you see this thread, by the way? http://www.overclock.net/t/1307180/trend-in-hwbot-rankings-combining-team-members.

... and yet, this is a person outside the inner circle with a genuine interest in hardware and overclocking. It's specifically this group of people that should be looking up to what all the "crazy pros" are doing and should be following it every step of the way, talking about it and remembering the epic overclocking achievements just how I remember Hipro's Dothan modifications or Shamino's octupus cascade. Fact of the matter is, neither the pro league and its competition nor the current stream of "3770K + HD 7970" speak to these people anymore. Mikecmd, winner of the EK WB contest, spoke the same words in this thread: "I don't really care" and "it's always the same". Again, someone with a genuine interest in overclocking and hardware, someone that should be inspired and following it closely, just goes "meh, nice score" when seeing absolute top results. I remember how even a couple of years ago, mainstream technology news sites would pick up on the overclocking news when a new graphics card was released and cover the new stream of world records. When K|ngp|n posted his 10-odd world records ... how many sites picked up those records? And exactly how many discussed that record? It's interesting how you call out someone that is actively participating at HWBOT, knows how the competitions here work and knows what overclocking is, but has not the slightest idea about what you're doing. Even though you've been in the Pro League for a while. Doesn't that boggle your mind? Doesn't that make you wonder why? Doesn't that worry you? It definitely worries me!

Phil, I do feel I should apoligise. I have been going over this in my mind and am still searching for the right words. Let me get back to you on this. I don't understand how the removal of the Pro OC League - one amongst four user leagues we have running - suddenly makes everything we have done (and are still planning to do) less "community". Ironically, you say this attitude would not last too long in the commercial world - perhaps that is because HWBOT is trying to be more community than commercial? I really appreciate your feedback, though, and the advice is definitely useful. I do realize that a lot of responsibility is on my back by doing this the way it's been done. As I put it to Vince (Kingpin) the other day, right after the announcement: "I'm putting my balls the railway track". A lot of people, including Dinos22, know that I have been declining on organising a new high-end top-end competition the likes of F1OC for years, even though the advise that was given to me was "just do it, just do it". The main reason being that I never felt comfortable with the suggested format or the options that were talked through. I would not do this if I would not believe very strongly that it could work better than the League did. I've explained why I believe that and I've explained why having an additional League is not a good choice.