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DDR3-1866 CL9-9-9-24 ... nice of you to give others a chance to beat you ...

Assuming we want to disallow altering the Tesselation level, there are still the following problems: - we can't enforce this policy on Heaven DX11 (unless we add detection mechanisms to the wrapper) - we can't see it in the benchmark GUI (so screenshots will be meaningless) - we can't see it in the ORB submission page (at least not for a few weeks) Assuming we don't want to allow it, for instance by figuring out how to reduce tesselation on Nvidia cards too, we have potential problems if: - FM's implementation of the Tesselation detection in the benchmark GUI is to remove E/P/X score indications or something similar that makes it impossible for us to verify the score Either solution has its problems. // edit // Assuming we can find a solution for the Heaven benchmark, the only 'sensible' thing to do is disallow any AMD-based submissions for both Heaven and 3DMark11 untill the necesarry fixes have been set in place. This is only a good solution, though, if we will eventually be able to detect the tesselation level in both Heaven and 3D11 and assuming we will not be able to reduce tesselation level on Nvidia-based graphics cards. This would mean 1777 results of 438 users would be considered invalid.

I'm staying in the Charming Castle Hotel.

We're looking into the unigine submissions and their metadata. From that data, we can see if the same OS was used and/or the system components were changed.

Done!

I posted earlier in the thread.

My thoughts on this were already posted here: http://hwbot.org/forum/showthread.php?p=129486#post129486

If tesselation can be reduced for Nvidia (which is possible), then what would you prefer, |ron ?

Joe90br's account has been locked. The staff is currently discussing further steps. Submitting someone else's scores is :-/

LL was dreadful, but we fixed it in the run after this (+400-500p). No CL re-run, no lucky CH ... lots to improve .

Oh, interesting. Did not know about OB's connection with Nvidia! I don't think there's faul play here, though. If FM was biased like that, they would never have disallowed GPU physics.

Arriving 10h15. Adding the info to the opening post

That's what's being discussed here: http://hwbot.org/forum/showthread.php?t=17844 Tbh, since we can't spot the difference in the benchmark GUI, I'm not too eager to do anything. Actually, we should just figure out how the disable Tesselation on Nvidia cards and the playing field is even again

Okay, sounds good. For the community, there's one important issue though: we won't see the tessellation level (or if it's ran default) from the application GUI.

IMPORTANT Straight from FM: Practically, that means more problems for us. With 3DMark Vantage's Physics, we could easily see if it was enabled or not by comparing the CPU scores. With the Tesselation level, this is much more difficult since there is scaling possible. Unless FM will show what level is used in the submission page, we won't be able to be 100% sure. This also means that for official FM HOF results, you can now use AMD graphics as long as you don't finetune the tesselation level. It's now also possible to use the cards for competitions at Futuremark (which previously wasn't possible due to non-FM approved Catalyst drivers). Let's look into this more closely.

I sort of experienced this while on LN2. I was stuck at around 165 and for giggles I just tried 170 straight and it worked. But on air cooling, I can't reproduce those results.

Also uploaded the A55 version! PDF Version: http://91.121.148.119/downloads/PDF/AMD_A55_OC_Guide.pdf

That's the patch that will allow AMD VGAs to be used in the HOF and competitions?

Dinos22 is the author, by the way

Has anyone been able to trick the giga boards in higher BCLK this way? I've been trying, but no success so far.

Got this in the mail today, might be interesting for you folks PDF A55 Guide: PDF A75 Guide: AMD_A55_OC_Guide.pdf AMD_A75_OC_Guide.pdf

Some amateur footage from Chew* when pretesting at home with Phase-Change (6G) and Dry Ice (6.6G).

This 'garage office' is actually an upgrade

Not sure if you know, but Frederik (RichBa5tard) moved into a new house a few weeks ago. That not only means a new home residence, but also a new office space for the HWBOT. Luckily, there was room in the garage to make an office. Here are some pictures: ETA: mid-october