Jmax Hardware Bench Party

[dami1stm]

So, even though you find it rediculous to block a score because of missing subtest details, you will be reporting all scores because yours got blocked as well?

 

//edit: don't start with justice ... we're not some kind of government or court of justice

 

Lol, no. :nana:

 

I turned the question in the other direction :

 

You do not find ridiculous to block all our scores and not the others?

But, the rules is the same for all, right?

 

Don't worry i say that hwbot moderator team it's not a gorvenement... This looks more like a dictatorship or anarchy.

Edited April 10, 2009 by dami1stm

[Benji Tshi]

justice and equality is the most important thing on hwbot ! If i'm wrong, why ORB validation are needed ? To be sure there is no cheaters.

 

Anyway, be sure we dislike reporting results (i think we never do it), it's not our business nor our job, but if it's the only way to be listen and heard, we will do it.

We are really sorry because we know we are concerned by these reports, as other members which are our friends, but if we have no other choice, it will be done

[jmax_oc]

Mates, HWBot moderators aren't idiot and understand perfectly our request. We said the same thing in 20-25 different way but the same global idea : same rule, same treatment for everyone.

 

They just don't know that we are able (and maybe determined, depends to vote) to make the reporting job.

 

But now, I'm sure they know that we are very serious by saying that we are able to divide the huge work into us and report all incomplete scores (including our scores, no problem) for egality.

 

Egality is the one of the strongest idea in French. Maybe stronger than freedom...

 

Now, it's up to HWBot's crew to decide.

[Benji Tshi]

if you guys had post up the lan in advance, you can get a nice newspost at the front of HWBot with pics of the lan, with some nice scores a report etc etc and no issues would have been had; instead, without the info up front moderators tried their best to make sense of the similar scores done with similar hardware by same team members posted on the same day.

 

Our own thread was created 4 months ago !! Don't considers us as idiots ! No rules explain that it's mandatory to make a newspost before a common bench party. Moreover, i don't like these newspost, but this is my personnal point of view of course, so i wouldn't do it.

 

Overclocking is a hobby, everyone on hwbot do it for fun (i hope). We was happy to do our bench party, it was really funny, and everything goes wrong now because of a stupid rule which was never applied before !

 

 

And why reported scores which not respect the rules won't be blocked ? Be sure everyone in France and all over the world will know every little bit of this situation, and hwbot will be known as unfairy/partial/cheaty organism if the right decisions are not taken !

[Thor941]

be serious? yup, it's time teams "be serious" when they post a massive load of news scores with similar hardware done on a LANparty. without info mods will guess, since they have no extra info to go on.

 

in this case they decided to look at the scores in detail; if you guys had post up the lan in advance, you can get a nice newspost at the front of HWBot with pics of the lan, with some nice scores a report etc etc and no issues would have been had; instead, without the info up front moderators tried their best to make sense of the similar scores done with similar hardware by same team members posted on the same day.

 

be serious.

 

HWBot moderation, serious business !

 

 

 

fair moderation comes from proper information posted up front from all parties involved. any reason for a score to be suspicious will cause more scrutiny on any and all details included of the scores.

 

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see this is an experience to build on; post higher ranked scores; keep HWbot in the loop; make the best of this.

 

 

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report all you want; doesn't mean we'll block them; this is not HWblock.org, as mentioned MILLIONS of times now in this thread by SEVERAL mods

 

1. if we have to inform the bot when massive scores will be posted, put it in the rules, at the moment it is not

2. post up the lan in advance if it is not mandatory, I don't give a fuck! it was an anniversary lan for JMH, 159 pages of post in the special thread for it on our site, if think it is quite enough - we don't need an advertising campaign!

3. serious business? ok do it fully with all the "bad" scores we will report from the bot

4. you are not HWblock : OK - all the score that we may report with a lack of details won't be blocked for sure, just a simple question : WHY?

 

Thx.

[jmax_oc]

I'm serious when I write it, yes, sure. 200% sure.

 

If you don't block screenshots as incomplete/doubtful as our blocked screenshots, yes, bad words will start. Of course ! How could it be different ? Be punished / moderated whereas other not isn't acceptable from a 'fair' HWBot. I'm not keen of such acts but it can keep HWBot safe, you and me haven't lots of choices...

 

We can ask things differently : what solutions do you suggest ? Our scores remain blocked and other scores not ?

 

In fact, we start to fear that HWBot won't moderate every score with the same way... You can interprete it by different sides : we don't treat you of anything, we respect HWBot (look our activity, you will see that we are very active, trusting your honesty). However, now, we are just waiting what to do depending of what you decide.

 

Finally, don't except us to have 10 scores blocked (total of 200 points) and to see 100 times more scores with same subtests problem. It's not acceptable :

Rules have to be applied for everybody. That's the lonely sentense you have to insist on : Rules have to be applied for everybody.

[jmax_oc]

where?

Why is it so important for you !!!???

But here is the link : http://www.jmax-hardware.com/forum/index.php/topic,3821.0.html

 

It could be better to answer us one time : is the subtest rule have to be applicated for everyone ??? We cannot be more precise !

 

thanks. let me give the same amount then about this subject.

If you want, you can leave the problem. Others moderators may answer us. You have to understand that we are clear but HWBot's crew not. You didn't tell us the real rule entirely.

 

You only said 2 things :

1/ subtests mandatory POINT.

2/ subtests mandatory for 'doubtful' scores like 3d01 (mipmap) 3d03 (SLI X58...)

 

 

 

Maybe it's the forst time severla members write such 'strong' words so we can understand that you need time to discuss together.

[Benji Tshi]

where?

 

thanks. let me give the same amount then about this subject.

 

http://www.jmax-hardware.com/forum/index.php/topic,3821.0.html

 

 

I gave this link on the first post, and it was in my previous post (after editing, that's why you didn't see it i guess)

[Thor941]

where?

 

thanks. let me give the same amount then about this subject.

 

 

Don't misquote my sentence, I was talking about having an advertising for the lan party on the bot, it is not the point at all, right?

[jmax_oc]

Although it's not very smart, I can unstand that we were suspecting of hardware sharing without posting here. We provided proofs and every body understand it. OK, no problem.

We also will make announcement here to say in advance that we will have overclocking lan to prevent future problem. OK

We also understand that you checked deeply our score since we posted massive screens. It's OK also, we understand.

 

 

BUT

 

It's not the purpose here.... 10 scores are blocked and we want to know why.

If you that they are blocked only because they lack subtests ok but we will reports all results without subtests and we will check if each score is blocked like ours. It's not more complicated :

Rules have to be applied for everybody.

Nothing more, nothing less.

 

It's up to you to allow all screens without subtests or to block all of them. But, rules have to be applied for everybody.

[NeoForce]

Guys, you`re spending time and nerves instead of making good screenshot or posting ORB links - an ONLY THEN you will start talking about justice for all.

 

Be fair to yourself - you provide not enough verification. Your scores are blocked. Right?

We have rules for submitting results. Right?

You have opportunity to report score if it doesn`t fit rules. Right?

Moderators have to check score if it is reported. Right?

 

If this is right , what we are talking about?

 

You`re talking about Libert? et ?galit?

Ne pas oublier la fraternit?

In my country revolutions are also very popular - but results of them like in France are very miserable

You suggest destroying HWBot cause it doesn`t fit your wishes? That`s OK - create alternative, but do not touch things you did not create.

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Edited May 13, 2011 by NeoForce

[Thor941]

And you still don't answer to the simple question about blocking our scores and not the others : WHY?

[NeoForce]

Cause there was NO issues about other scores.

If you report it - it will be checked and author will be asked for more proof - if no proof - score will be blocked

We ask your team for right screens - we don`t receive it - so scores are still blocked.

Is it clear? Or I have to write it in Fran?ais?

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Edited May 13, 2011 by NeoForce

[Thor941]

Ha mais on demande que ca! Tu peux donc bloquer celui la : http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=840868

 

Il est tout frais en premiere page

 

SI tout le monde est traité au meme niveau ya plus aucun soucis pour moi et je dirais meme pour nous, faut etre équitable ./.

[Benji Tshi]

jmke > The link to our thread was in my first post :

Here is our french thread for this bench party : http://www.jmax-hardware.com/forum/index.php/topic,3821.0.html

 

 

Neoforce > Read us carefully. We understand that our scores are blocked as we don't respect the rules which was established a long time ago. It's not a problem because as you said, there is rules which must be applied.

Again, as you said it, we can report scores and moderators will check it.

 

The matter here is that we can't understand why the results won't be blocked if they have the same issues like our ?

 

 

Moreover, we never suggest to destroy hwbot. At the moment, we prefer solve our problem and continue with hwbot and overclocking. But if hwbot is not fair, we wan't everyone to know this. It's not a destroy as it's only the true.

But if we consider your solution is fair (validating our results or not, it's not the problem), we won't do it as we trust hwbot is fair.

 

Our meaning is only to apply rules and be as fair as possible, not to destroy someone or something. We are enjoying hwbot for 2 years, we want to continue of course

 

 

EDIT : as we won't be able to give you more proofs, our results will remain blocked.

So we're gonna try to aplly the rule to every other result which didn't have subtests details. Is it ok for you ?

Edited April 10, 2009 by Benji Tshi

[jmax_oc]

Jmke,

Nop. Since we posted pics and vidz, our scores aren't suspicious. True ?

If they are now classical benches so they have to be treated like every bench. True ?

If they have to be treated like every bench, they have to be valid. True ?

If not, explain me where I'm wrong.

 

In your post, you said that scores have to be "doubtful AND without subtests" to be blocked. Neofroce said thing differently... Doubtful isn't a problem for him.

 

Neoforce, HWBock never asked for more proof and wait for proof beforce blocking. HWBot always block and ask proof at the same time.

So you say this sequence : no subtests => we report => HWBot block and ask more proof => if proof provided, HWBot unblock.

[intouch]

Just short question,

 

What do you think about the following ?

 

http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=840832

 

Is it tolerate ?

[NeoForce]

Guys, if you want attract attention to problem - you did it.

I also want HWBot to be clear and fair. And every member of hwbot crew also.

So you should calm and continue having fun.

 

Thor941 Score is blocked. I can`t see HDD startup at all, so I can`t say if software RAMdisk was used.

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Edited May 13, 2011 by NeoForce

[NeoForce]

intouch Score is not valid - It doesn`t fit any rules

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Edited May 13, 2011 by NeoForce

[Benji Tshi]

Results "are not suspicious" or "are not suspicious anymore" is the same thing. So our results are perfectly fair from this point. Don't talk about it anymore.

 

Be sure you'll have a newspost for each bench party we do now. It's about twice a month, at least. So Hwblock (i think i'm gonna call it this way now as results are blocked and then people think about the suspicion) won't suspect us for sharing anymore.

 

 

As hwblock won't be fair (i mean applying rules to everyone, and also JMH of course) we won't be quiet, and we won't be able to have fun as our best bench party for 2 years was spoil !

Edited April 10, 2009 by Benji Tshi

[Thor941]

Ok thx Neo, so let's continue reporting

[NeoForce]

Benji Tshi

I want to say - we shouldn`t create such threads and take offence in future.

jmax_oc

You, me and Massman can talk to each other in Prague next week - I hope it will be good and warm meeting, cause no blocking, boints, screens or marks can spoil fun of benching

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Edited May 13, 2011 by NeoForce

[jmax_oc]

no it's not the same thing, otherwise I would write "are not suspicious" or "are not suspicious" and not "are not suspicious anymore"

 

You play with word and rules jmke...

 

 

 

Here is the today's list :

http://hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=840832'>http://hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=840832

http://hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=840757

http://hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=840678

http://hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=840758

http://hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=840680

http://hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=840759

http://hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=840658

http://hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=840832

http://hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=840700

 

And my previous list :

http://hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=817041

http://hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=809988

http://hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=822758

http://hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=824595

http://hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=831012

http://hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=824985'>http://hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=824985

http://hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=824985

http://hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=827043

http://hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=829464

http://hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=812745

http://hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=832046

 

All these 20-22 scores lack subtest like our scores.

 

 

And stop saying our scores are doubtful (hardware sharing) since they are not and since we prove it. Your difference with 'anymore' doesn't mean anything : they are not doubtful. So please consider our score just lack subtest like 20-22 scores mentionned higher. So our scores have to be treated like the 20-22 scores mentioned here.

 

NB : Our previous point of view was that SLI scores + X58 on 2k3 is always doubtful. It seems that the today's decision isn't identical...

 

Neoforce, yes I will spend time with you, Massman and Dami1stm for clarifying the relation between HWBot and us but no to clarify this situation... It's too far (10 days). No offence of course but Prague won't be the solution for this problem .

[Benji Tshi]

You're looking for details which can bother me ?

Scores were suspicious because of sharing, we proove it was not, you (moderators) believed that there was not, so it's not suspicious !

[NeoForce]

jmax_oc

I look at first two scores - they are not valid - blocked.

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Edited May 13, 2011 by NeoForce