Unigine Heaven benchmark

[Massman]

To be correct here: Unigine only allowed us to build a wrapper around their benchmark. Unigine did not any work for the submission to HWBOT.

 

Everything to make sure the benchmark is user-friendly, cheat-proof and able to submit directly to HWBOT has been work of the HWBOT staff

[knopflerbruce]

?

 

Plenty of benchmarks - where? Or do you mean 3DMark06 and Vantage for 'newer' cards?

 

I mean that they work on newer cards. 01 works on even GTX480. If those older benchmarks stopped working on tomorrow's cards, then I'll understand the reason behind adding only a DX11 benchmark, but that's not the case here. Older gear deserve something new as well, not just future GPUs... there are more video cards than just HD5870 and GTX480, you know, and people still bench them;) What harm could it possibly do to add a DX9 version?

[Turrican]

imho dx11 with points is ok.

no need for dx9, we have the other 3dmarks for that imho.

[Antinomy]

Maybe Bruce was speaking about DX11 for DX11 cards and DX9 for the rest? Then there's no over-weighted categories.

[[GF]Duke]

Wow i missed this thread. This is way cool. Another bench to push is exciting. wtg.

[knopflerbruce]

Maybe Bruce was speaking about DX11 for DX11 cards and DX9 for the rest? Then there's no over-weighted categories.

 

Yeah, that's what I mean:)

[Massman]

None of you guys ever check our Facebook?

 

It's where all the teasers are posted

[DrSwizz]

No real harm, but if there was a heaven dx9 and dx11 bench with points, you'd have to bench a heluvalot benchmarks to gain the max amount of points: 5x 3dmark, aq3, 2x heaven. Isn't that too much? Or should we start discussing disabling points for deprecated benchmarks: 3d01 and aq3? If we disable points for those benches, I'm all in favor of adding both heaven dx9 and dx11 with points.

 

Please don't disable the points for the old benchmarks entirely; It is fun to benchmark old hardware too you know. :-)

Instead you could make those benchmarks give no points or a low amount of poings to newer cards, but still make it possible to recieve points when you benchmark older hardware.

[packet]

Please don't disable the points for the old benchmarks entirely; It is fun to benchmark old hardware too you know. :-)

Instead you could make those benchmarks give no points or a low amount of poings to newer cards, but still make it possible to recieve points when you benchmark older hardware.

 

they wont do that ...hes using jedi mind tricks....answering a question with question ( i hope)

[thebanik]

- Offline, by saving a score and uploading the file using the HWBOT online form (no need to install the app on a different system as well)

 

I hope its hack/crack proof, we have got some crackers in our community too u know, who can do pretty innovative stuff,

[Massman]

It should be hack 'n' crack proof.

[jmke]

No real harm, but if there was a heaven dx9 and dx11 bench with points, you'd have to bench a heluvalot benchmarks to gain the max amount of points

 

verandering van spijs doet eten, nooit slecht om iets te voegen;)

2x extra gaan het niet maken

 

HWboints system should easily cope with extra benchmarks, that was the whole point, no?

[knopflerbruce]

We're not forcing anyone to bench everything - they can skip the new dx9 benchmark if they want to.

[Massman]

In theory that is. In practice we force people to run every single benchmark if they want to get as much points as possible.

[Antinomy]

Massman, you can compare 3DMark Vantage on older hardware and see that there is a difference

Some didn't want to install Vista and the didn't run the benchmark.

[Massman]

Some didn't want to use a mouse to make the computer do what they want; but hey, we all use it now, right!

 

The problem is not those who are just aiming for hardware points, the problem is those who are aiming at the global rankings. It makes no sense to continuesly add benchmarks just for the sake of adding: the more benchmarks, the more global rankings that need to be conquered to be able to run at the top. A few benchmarks are okay, a dozen is pushing it ... a hundred is obviously too much.

 

Why is everyone afraid of moving forward?

[knopflerbruce]

Some didn't want to use a mouse to make the computer do what they want; but hey, we all use it now, right!

 

The problem is not those who are just aiming for hardware points, the problem is those who are aiming at the global rankings. It makes no sense to continuesly add benchmarks just for the sake of adding: the more benchmarks, the more global rankings that need to be conquered to be able to run at the top. A few benchmarks are okay, a dozen is pushing it ... a hundred is obviously too much.

 

Why is everyone afraid of moving forward?

 

We're moving forward when we add DX11 capable benchmarks. What you suggest is to ignore the past...

 

I get the idea about the global boints, but do you get high scores on DX9 (with non-DX11 HW), which will interfere with the DX11 results after a while, when we have alot of "proper" runs on GTX480? If not, then there is no problem with the DX9 edition and globals. And if I'm wrong, then disable globals for the DX9 edition - or use some divider that makes every dx9 score worth nearly zero (global) boints.

 

IMO the best solution would be if there were some DX9 parts included as well, then the DX11 parts would give 0 points and a huge handicap for the GPUs that don't support the tech, but still give some HW boints to fight for. Then there would be no need to add a separate DX9 edition, as it would've been included in the score:)

[jmke]

Why is everyone afraid of moving forward?

 

it's not "moving forward". It's an elitist move. giving a new benchmark to a handful of people, ignoring the other 99% of active benchers at HWbot

[Massman]

Elitist move? Ignoring the past?

 

C'mon guys, don't start to make rediculous statements. We're talking here about adding ONE benchmark to measure the DX11 rendering quality. It's not elitist as the cheapest DX11 card is now <40€; in the future more cheap cards will appear.

[BenchZowner]

Nothing and nobody should be against adding new benchmarks ( whatever those may be ) unless the benchmark is crap.

[knopflerbruce]

I repeat what I said - what if there were DX9 parts included as well, so that DX9 cards would get a score, too? That would be the best solution.

[Massman]

Well, we can't change how the benchmark works

[marmott]

when Hwbot introduce 3dmark Vantage back in the days I think nobody aksed for a DX9 version

 

DX11 need its benchmark on hwbot and I don't think we need another DX9 benchmark.

[knopflerbruce]

Well, we have a ton of FM benchmarks for DX9, and AM3. Would be cool to see something a bit different.

 

If it's not possible to integrate the DX9 tests into the DX11 part (to make one complete test for all cards), then I suggest you just remove globals from the DX9 version. That's by far the best solution.

[jmke]

but only dx11 for points.

 

might as well don't add DX9 then. A benchmark at HWbot without HWboints is worthless imho.

 

per month:

- MaxxMem: 250 submissions

- Reference clock: 233 submissions

- PCMark Vantage: 38 submissions (lol)

 

vs

 

- Aquamark: 1000+ submissions

- Wprime 32M: 1000+ submissions

 

Adding DX11 only doesn't make it an alternative to Futuremark 3D benchmarks at HWbot.

 

Adding both DX11 and DX9 profiles with HWBoints make Unigine real competition for Futuremark 3D dominated landscape.

 

popularity of a benchmark is determined by HWboint