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The only violation I see in those links is no pic of rig.
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Mr. Scott I disagree that pcm05 does not scale with cpu - it certainly does.
As for windows and storage tweaks - its part of the bench.
The same is true in other 2D and most 3D benches as well - there are some windows tweaks that you MUST do to be competitive for the top scores.
Bottom line is if you don't like to bench pcm05 then don't - easy answer.
Steve, no dis-respect intended as you are most certainly a master at this bench, but in the other benches you don't need to basically construct your own OS using pieces of other OS's, or use batch files and sub-routines to switch drives for sub-tests to make them all work together for a decent score. That to me is a lot more than 'tweaking'. Not going on any more about this here. There's another thread for that. Besides, I'm obviously in the minority here anyway so there's no point in beating a dead horse. Enjoy your bench.
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Sorry man, but he's an arrogant douchbag.
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Mr Scott, as someone with about 100 league points, and not a single rank in PCMark 2005 that is competitive globally - you quite possibly could be the least qualified person on HWBot to comment on the validity of this benchmark. Put some hardware together and actually try to do something with it, and I'd give your opinion more thought than the 15 seconds it takes to reply to your ignorant opinion on a benchmark you don't know anything about.
Ah, but I DO know about it, pretty well actually. I just choose not to bench it.
It's no fun, which is why I bench, for fun. As for my points and qualifications, well, I don't recall anyone asking for your opinion of either. They're not the issue anyway, so you wasted your ignorant 15 seconds trolling somebody you don't know from a bag of beans. You must be proud.
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I find that sometimes it's best not to poke the hornet's nest.
Just do the best you can and hope it sticks around a while.
Nice OC BTW.
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See post #2. Rivatuner most certainly does report that. Example:
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many recent submissions and you guys think its worth removing. try benching it
I see you missed the point. Here it is again for you.
It is no longer a benchmark for the cpu. -
Duke;152244']This thread totally proves that this Benchmark should be withradrawn from the rankings. It is no longer a benchmark for the cpu.
Yup.
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GPU clock speeds are missing.
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my jaw just hit the floor REALLY hard....
but my question is why resolder all the caps?
It makes room for bigger and better cooling options.
Heavily modded board. Really nice work. Me like.
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No. Added it to the buglist.
Previously mentioned in posts #408 and #409. Thanks for looking.
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Nice job Alex.
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I reported some scores and I'm still not banned, why?
I was just gonna say the same thing.
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Very nice indeed. You've inspired me to fire up this board again. It's been a year or two.
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Thanks Ivan. I can bench it at 3.4 or so on air. I'll have to anyway as this submission was blocked because I covered up the stupid bench settings with a CPU-Z shot.
No big deal. I'll run it again.
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I don't mean to complicate things, but this seems pretty similar to how Rev4 handles TPP. As individuals can dominate the enthusiast league with obscure hardware, so can teams dominate the teams league on obscure hardware.
The easiest way to get 50 TPP? Request a new CPU be added, run the 10 2D benches which award HTPP at stock.
Or you could take 3x pcmark05 global 1st and get 80 TPP. One way is very expensive and challenging enough that few people could do it - the other way...
I chose the pcmark05 route because it was the cooler way. However, any smart team would recognize there are a lot of quick, easy, and valuable points to be had by benching rare stuff or low competition stuff.
In spirit, the way HTPP are awarded should encourage more competition in those categories since they are valuable (as I understood it, that was part of the idea behind the Rev4 TPP scheme) - I get the intention, however in 95% of oddball categories it is not creating competition, its just giving easy points.
If I had DB access to hwbot, I'd be curious to run a query looking at the top 20 teams, to see how many 1st place HTPP each team has in categories where there is no competition.
By the way, just a minor gripe - I think overall the scoring system is working pretty good.
Ya know, you do an awful lot of complaining about how many points people get and what they get them on. You have the opportunity to cash in on rare and low comp stuff too you know. Just let it go. Stop screwing with the point system, it's already hard enough to keep track of. Only mentioning it because every time one of these threads comes up, you're all over it. Give it a rest.
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http://hwbot.org/user/chuckgunz
Above user shows on the team but I don't see him or his contributions on my roster.
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Test failed. PCM04 doesn't like multi cores in the grammar check stage. There are work arounds. Google it.
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Scott... That post was not aimed at you man. I have nothing against you. I agree with you on what you say about loopholes not being tweaks. I agree with you on most of your argument actually...
The one thing I don't agree with you on is the "let's ditch it" part; I'll explain my train of thought. If we say that PCM05 should be ditched because it's too hard to moderate and because it is too hard to separate tweaks from cheats; what happens next? Do we ban GPU BIOS edits for better 3D scores because they are impossible to spot? Do we ban the special "REX BIOS" that makes for much more efficient SPi runs because the moderators can't tell who's using it and who's not? Do we ban LOD for 06? My argument here is that if we start down this path, the time may come when "NO TWEAK" is allowed... And what fun would that be?
You are entitled to your opinion and I respect it, but I am entitled to mine as well.
I recognize that I, sometimes, come across a bit antagonistic, but trust me... My posts are in no way attacks on anyone in particular.
Understood. We are quite similiar in personality. I do respect your opinion. No harm done.
If the staff knew all the tweaks, don't you think they'd be using them for themselves?No, too lazy
@ Chris- LOL
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I know you're an honest guy Alex. You don't have to prove anything.
And apparently, I must be outta line for speaking my mind, so I'll just bow out semi gracefully and leave PCM05 to those who bench it.
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we (the staff) know all teewks right now
Don't tell stories Alex. If the staff knew all the tweaks, don't you think they'd be using them for themselves?
Also, for the record, I mean no disrespect for those who excel at this bench honestly. But I know for a fact there are a few that aren't so honest. They'll never be caught, because everything is a 'tweak'.
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I don't see this as an issue of tweaks... It's an issue of whether one uses something that has been forbidden in the rules (SW RAM Disks or not). It's already been shown that when one puts enough time/effort/money into the storage part of the bench great results can be had. That's not a tweak; that's someone going out and buying the HW needed to compete...
I go back to the 3D benches... Are we going to outlaw voltmods/franken cards/TiNed cards/Shammied cards simply because not everyone "knows" how to get such things done? Are we going to throw out Vantage because people don't have access to Untochables addon cards? Or because they don't have the experience and knowledge that the top dogs have? I don't think that ignorance (read as "not knowing about a tweak") is not enough of a reason to get all up in arms about it.
And believe me when I tell you; if I ever find a "tweak" that gets me 100+ webpages/s in PCM05; I am NOT going to come out and blabber it to everyone. Or are we going to ask everyone that spends time looking for tweaks that give them an edge to reveal their hard work for everyone? I'm sorry, but the fact that someone doesn't know a tweak doesn't make IT illegal... It just means that those that don't know it have not spent enough time with the bench to find it.
This is not elementary school where every kid gets a trophy whether they win or not. We're all adults here and those that put more time and effort into it are the ones that get the rewards.
I don't know why you continue to try to make me the bad guy here. I don't care if everybody sits on all their tweaks or not. My point is that if the people who moderate the submissions don't know or understand said tweaks, how can they possibly look at a submission and judge whether it's valid or not if it's reported, when they don't know what to look for. Does that mean if you're the only one who knows said tweak, that they and everybody else have to take your word for it? That's what makes this bench impossible to moderate, and why it should be ditched.
Mind you, this is my personal opinion, and I'm entitled to that, like it or not.
BTW, loopholes in the rules do not constitute a 'tweak'.
Whatever. Do what you want.
I don't run it enough to care anymore.
EDIT- because I don't care, does that make me more 'ignorant' than just not knowing a tweak?
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Then you might as well remove the cap and restrictions and make it a free for all, because it's already un-moderateable with any kind of accuracy when the staff openly admits they can't do it because they don't know all the tweaks. Besides the fact that you have staff skirting the rules now too. That's all I'm saying.
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