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frequency multiplied by score = effeciency regardless of platform.

Major yep I think it is, effeciency is preety nuts but i just tested in vista and almost sub 67K on c4e untuned

sub 65K effeciency on AMD?

Agreed uncle, I will refrain from posting further unless on topic.

You know the above was not a joke, charles knows it was not a joke, a joke doesn't result in a ban and or a response like in the PM otherwise we would have both said ha ha and called it a day. BTW your timeline is a fib as well, at the time I was sent the PM you were 2 places below us, anyone can feel free to check the database, so the "so called joke" was not to be on a higher ranking team. Nor does it end up in recruitments of members from many other existing teams. Seems your "JOKE" excuse story has been shot full of holes in the truth department. Your only fooling yourself here. People weren't born yesterday. credibility going down, keep posting.

Yah sorry man it's a shame I have to resort to this but then again it's a good majority of one team ( you have been decent ) gangbanging one guy, time to set the record straight and put an end to the twisted stories the public is hearing. There are 2 sides to every story and then theres what really happend......now the public can compare the 2 and see which is sticking closer to the truth. BTW numerous PM's went out like this on XS that day.

Lets drag out the dirty laundy and get this over with. The Post to the public.......chew* is bad, chew* is evil.........it was a joke. The reality.

I will adress the team related matters. And this is why heresay can never be used for anything other than what it is. The concocted story about splave is just that ( never benched with him in my life ), somehow that got twisted. It was actually another member reporting scores with no justifiable reasons, I say no justifiable reason as they were checked as OK by admins. This happened to be in timely fashion of the same time your team came into XS team thread and were trash talking. XS dropped rankings becasue we haven't been competing ( our fault ) and we lost members, I won't go there on that. Ricks joke PM to snatch me up for OCA with claims OCA is taking over the BOT? Really? Should I really paste it here? Better yet should I post your PM as you made no mention of it being a joke back then............. Funny some members didn't think it was a joke, they went to your team and not just members of XS, preety elaborate prank/joke for not being APRIL FOOLS day. It also reflects the type of character. This is where the rivalry started, did you expect anything less? Your team fired the first shot. As far as your personal attacks at me? /ignored. Now onto to things that actually pertain to the topic of this thread and the need for rev 4. Your right I have no evidence against any team and am posting none and have made that 100% clear. I am posting possible ( as people can choose to believe what they will ) evidence that THERE IS A PROBLEM and nothing more, no need to take that out of proportion or personal. You can choose to deny there is a problem or you can choose to agree with not me but your own team mate that there is a problem as he preety much figured out with a little searching.

Unfortunately it appears to set a good example you have to be the A hole, kind of makes setting a good example a moot point. I did report it before any mention was made here. It has been discussed in depth with people that can be trusted. Bottom line it's heresay unless that person chooses to come forward. Dropping names/teams would have a negative impact based on heresay only.

Hmm I keep lying and responding but since this is civil now......... hmm that is weird, should have been new. I will keep that in mind next time and have contestants double check everything in future events i help with, thanks for heads up. Yah sure man to sum up its a conversation about this thread, One person is admitting offences of his own team alot of it in high detail ( not included in those pics ) which is edited to protect everyone. Other is suggesting he talk to Hwbot at which the response is "like hwbot doesn't already know whats going on" At which point the bottom line is mentioned that without a personal confession nothing can be done about it.

OK i lied one last post. Fair enough man I burnt cards myself, just say hey I messed up though. Now your starting to see it Now I know this is not proof of anything against anyone nor is it intended to be. Consider it as proof that A. there is a problem or B. I was smoking crack and messaging myself on 2 seperate instances at 2 diff time or possibly dates.

Banik, First of all if a team was HW sharing not all members would know about it, not if they were trying to do it smart, in fact there would only be and need to be about 10 and they would give it a cool nickname like HSN ( hardware sharing network ) What better defense a larger amount of members with no clue that would rush to there aid to say I know for FACT it don't happen. It's amazing I just pull these fine details out of thin air, let me take another hit of my crackpipe so I can come up with more. You know if I'm guilty of one thing its being an ass about wanting to keep things legit. Hate me for it if you like. Just as many shaking head in dissaproval there are many people shaking there head in approval. I just happen to say what i think while others are either afraid to or acting like women backstabbing in there little private areas. Bottom line I'm not here to make friends ( aquaintances yes friends no ), been there done that and had my to bury my best friend, I don't need more. Movieman decribes me best, "I do not suffer fools well". Put aside the fact that I speak up when I see a wrong doing and guess what i'm a preety cool guy and rather quiet as well as helpfull. Anyhow I'm through with this thread as long live cheating on hwbot seems to be the chant.

I think I could swing $131 USD a year and sacrifice 120L ln2 a year to do so. From the current poll though it appears to me the manufactuerers will be paying for this site and not users.

Here's one for you bud. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perjury Vmem mod pads don't burn themselves brand new out of a box as well as teammates don't feel obigated to later tell the truth if it wasn't really true. Bottom line your credibilty is no good. Gomer stay out of this, it's not your beef or problem and has nothing to do with BZ.

I just told you what the proof is , its a person with credibility within a team admitting what his own team does......... Lets go further with an example of this. Movieman ( someone I feel has impeccable credibility ) comes and makes a post here that team XS is hardware sharing. Would you belive him if he said that? well if you would than guess what, the source i have has that type of credibility. It's not my decision or call to throw it out there, its up to that person and it would be a total dickhead move on my part to break confidentiality.......

OK its you and you snitched on your own team now deal with all the people who think your a snitch............ <<<< not true but now you get the point. Also you failed to read, Even with the proof, falsified receipts makes it impossible for hwbot to do anything about. This has already been discussed with people that can be trusted. Its also why serial number and receipts can not be used to validate anything.

[quote=TheKarmakazi;71606I know the guys at OCA very well. Even though you later post that your comment was not aimed at them, it clearly was. Otherwise why would they not "want that to happen." They spend tons of hard earned dough on this hobby and dont deserve crap from some troll like you. I really admired the ethical path you took regarding samples and not competing with them, but I just lost my respect for you from this and your subsequent posts. Forget the OCA guys lets not point at anyone in particular....... Lets look at the facts however. How many Private team sections are you aware of karma? How many do you have acess to? Do you honestly think that if there was sharing going on people would broadcast it on open forums or tell an outsider? Do you honestly think that if they were doing it they would not have some bogus receipts to cover there ass and say they bought it used? Do you honestly think I would post that i'm aware of sharing going on with out having preety damn good proof? Do you honestly think the source wants to be public? Not sure without any of the acess pointed out above you are able to make claims about any team including XS playing this game clean. You can lose all the respect for me you want, no skin off my back, on the same token I thought you were a preety smart guy and could pick up on the obvious. All the above complications are just a heap of freaking work for the mods.........only to on a technicality becasue they can't prove a receipt is bogus to not do anything about it...... That said they are fixing loopsholes being exploited.

Hmm Brian brings up a very interesting note. Picture this scenario, hwbot is fully supported by manufacturers. So shares in a company say its split like this MSI,ASUS,GIGA all equal 33.3% Well eventually they decide they want to change something, mind you hwbot with all new features and funding is running full tilt. Hwbot staff disagrees, Oh really? your cut off. Flatline.................... So why not have the endusers donate I dunno say we PAY to PLAY and fund 60% or even 51% whatever it needs to be so that the OVERCLOCKERS have the majority vote over the manufacturers. If a manufacturer decides to leave HWbot hanging because they want to go down a path the STAFF does not think is right, worst case at this point your at least running on life support till necessary cutbacks/changes can be made. I think bottom line the fear of the manufacturers in the end having full expense thus in a way full control is a valid fear indeed.

Patch you do know that the delegation is user side, We are all EL and XOL default. You can choose UFL user side if you wish to compete there. No one is being forced there, No one is being told they can't compete there either.

Quoted to add premeditation to the charges we both incur Why wait for a public event where i have to be on my best behavior. It's quite obvious when I am there for a manufacturer I can't mix it with personal problems Convenient for you I guess. Conveneint for me I can always go to your house if your afraid to come to mine.

Not to sure you would want that to happen Maybe the source wishes to remain unknown

The problem is it's more than one team........me personally I only have proof of one team. Sure hwbot has proof of many enough for them to want to employ such a drastic change. TBH the teams doing it must think people are naieve. The only people they are really fooling are themselves.

warrior, Better yet i know some of my members have better VGA's than mine. I sell them and buy vga's they don't have........no need for percentages and more classes get covered.

Sure but I don't think you realize how bad hw sharing is going on......... There is one team posting here atm totally against this ( surprise surpise ) and they have a extremely well organized sharing regime going on at a level that you could not even fathom. I have screenshots of admissions of this.........as well as other "data". I won't name the team, they know who they are. TBH I think with the proof they should all get a permaban and that should be an example then no need for rev 4. Hwbot chooses to be kind however and just remove the temptation to cheat.....at least at a team level.