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I usually test Cedarmills in 2-3 stages Stage1: POST 5GHz on air with 1.45V (50% of CPU fail to do this, if a CPU can't do this, there's no way it's a 7.6+ LN2 chip) Stage2: DryIce suicide at 6.4GHz (20-30% of CPUs fail to do this, if it fails, even with perfect scaling it won't hit 7.6+ LN2) Stage3: the actual LN2 test I currently have 15 cedarmills (http://www.abload.de/img/dsc03822cmwn.jpg), ten of which still need sorting out.

I asked Massman before submitting old validations - he said they are allowed. Too sad I can't submit many scores due to old SuperPI / wPrime versions

dammit, may be one day AMD will overcome cedarmills

wow, all the 37xxA Costa Ricas I ever tested were among the worst chips I ever had

what is the batch of this CPU?

got any picture of the actual CPU?

what if I solder GTX280 directly to the motherboard , does it count as integrated VGA ?

Massman, IIRC, duck had E8500 even higher. 6.6GHz somewhat ...still, nice to see some japanese guys coming to hwbot

why only dualchannel ?

Sampsa, you must have got me a bit wrong. Yes, I told that there were 1366 samples with blank IHS (mostly i7-960), but I never seen what stummerwinter's CPU looks like. As far as I know, he got this CPU (with many other good 975s) from ASUS , and they - where else, from Intel.

I do not want to sound as I'm making excuses but it is really not THAT simple as you may think. Sure, George can come to Riga to see us bench (please note that this initially wasn't my idea) but there are quite a few things that stand in the way, such as venue (my parents simply won't let someone with "bad manners" who doesn't speak neither Russian nor Latvian in my flat which is out primary bench location), cost (after WCH hockey Riga is much more expensive than, for example, Berlin or Paris) and entertainment. Sure, those can be solved with some effort put in the organisation but I don't want hipro to be the only adjudicator as he is, obviously, party interested and not always objective (pardon if I accuse you, George ... may be I don't know you very well yet). As I've said, HIT is a no go as well. To leave EU and go to Russia I need a visa, which, due to bureaucratic properties of Latvia, needs 1-2 full workdays spent on collecting necessary papers and 3-4 more weeks for "them" to stamp it in my pass ... time which I simply do not have. Other question is the cost of tickets/hotel which, if you book them "so late" are going to cost a lot. And, last, at the moment I have extremely intensive schedule at the university, so missing couple of days will be hard (I have a lot of "debts" I can barely manage already ... sorry, but I put personal education on top of overclocking in my priority list) I suggest myself (can't speak for mrlobber) coming to CeBIT (or any other big public event which will take place early in 2009) where there will be a wider audience and more opportunities to make suggestions / ask questions "during the process". I'd be happy to send my hardware to other person to confirm it but, if I'm afraid it won't make any sense as some consider me "the source of mass cheating evil who can brainwash everyone" (LOL), so the BS may not end with that

George, I wanted to go to HIT but it's incompatible with my wallet/university schedule. All those ASUS/Giga/MSI comps organised - I couldn't take part. Partly, because of age restrictions (just turned 18), partly due to living in a country those brands are not bothered about. I'll go to CeBIT 2009 (already booked cheap airline tickets to Hannover) if I can find a cheap place to stay Maan, modern OC community really sucks. As it turns out, it is illegal to tweak, it is illegal to have good hardware/handpick ... looks like the only opportunity to survive is by "quantity" (spending lots of kilo$ on Vantage rigs) ... until someone says "meh, I can't believe you can afford this stuff, you cheat", LOL.

not THAT much harder than you might expect. At least with TP45HP (you can ask anyone else if you don't trust me) going from 5-5-5-15 to tighter mem settings (like 5-4-4 or 4-4-4, if your mems can do that) doesn't hurt FSB by more than 2-3MHz not ANY timings. at 7-6-5-18 the thing would not even POST. I find 7-6-6-15 the best in terms of stability/performance for benching at memspeeds over 1000MHz.1.61Vmch = yes, not mistaken. It was the sweet spot for this specific board as X48 does not like high mch (unlike p35/p45) - 600+ PL8 you can see these days from a Rampage Extreme which is based on a X48 chipset, which has worse FSB/tRD ratio than P35- 790i at 616 ... well, you saw from couple of guys (jody/vince) that it IS possible, didn't you? - 8800GTS at 1240core. There were people who ran 1200+ on dry ice and 1250+ on LN2. Why don't we accuse them in cheating as well? - 4Mb to be precise. Back in early C2D days it was common that "white box" ESes had cache misread by CPUz. This thread with all the name calling is going nowhere, IMHO. If you got any concerns, please post them to hwbot crew and I'll be happy to work them through

We all know who gets the best "handpicked" hardware, so, let's follow the same principal and call them cheaters, shall we? Well, I admit that I have spent a lot of time handpicking my CPU at the warehouse I used to work at, but I don't think I have the best one (boble and andre had 6.8G chips, jowi has 6.53G 32M "without pushing it much" chip) the scores are irrelevant to the memory kit I was using. We could hit roughly same clocks with two other DDR3 sets I currently own. (those are not handpicked in any way) No. I've seen multiple D9GMH sets that could do 600MHz CL4 32M at 2.35V DMM or lower (mine can't do that) Why do you think it's best? I reckon mine's one of the worst Anyone, and I DO MEEN ANYONE who had put mch subzero could hit 650+ benchable.

James, in case if you never had experience with P5E64 WS Evo and RampageExtreme - they are exactly same in terms of OC (not considering "gem" board factor), only that the Evo is less bling and less $ (me and mrlobber don't have multi kilo$ budget extra to spend on "bling") The board was not handpicked in any way, it was originally bought from a German e-shop that doesn't give a damn about their customers. I DO NOT GET HANDPICKED HARDWARE DIRECT FROM MANUFACTURERS. You need to learn a lesson (same as I did a while back): don't draw conclusions about hardware you've never owned As for 660MHz CL4 with 2.61V, I have to admit, I have seen better mems

James, who is pathetic in this case is actually you. If the handpicked hardware sent you by manufacturers (Corsair, ASUS, Giga) can't reach certain frequency you claim it impossible, right? As for the Vmem on the PiFast score, it was 2.61 actually (same as on other results) (it's actually read 2.608V by BIOS monitoring tool, I compared that tool with DMM reading on that board with lower Vmem and it's +/- 0.01v) And why are you claiming that fsb650 is impossible on an ASUS X48 board if ... *cough, cough* ... you've hit similar FSB speeds yourself? EDIT: oh, I get it, ASUS didn't send you a handpicked P5E64WS Evo yet, my bad

Fred, may be let's have a public vote, shall we? or, let's make two team rankings - all points score - best scores per hardware score that way we can see who's the biggest and who's the most diverse team

Taking pictures of actual hardware doesn't solve the problem fully, as it only proves THE POSSIBILITY, not THE FACT that the results were done using different hardware. I think we will be getting such hardware sharing reports for on and on until hardware and software developers don't find a way to ID a cards' S/N in a screenshot. Until that happens - question: shared or not shared hardware will rely only on participants' honesty... (not pointing at anyone's scores by saying this ... simply showing that rules are imperfect ATM) Massman, I suggested that division ages ago, but the prob is that, again, we don't know who to specify as a "professional" overclocker as most people (including me) have no sponsorships ... they borrow hardware from their workplaces / friends ... how do you consider them: pro/non-pro ?

who, do you think, is a better overclocker? - guy who runs highend hardware close to its limits scoring global WRs (quality) - guy who runs thousands of CPUs near stock frequency (quantity) since those two are completely different categories - there are two separate ranking at hwbot for either kinds of benchers

xt0m, at least that's how it works in the Baltics

before recieving the CPU you need to sign a warranty letter saying that if CPU dies - you will compensate it's price to Intel

Not all Intel offices are so friendly. Some may require a review or any publicity to back up sending of CPU.

you should better check Danny's thread at XS where he tests similar kit of GSKill. Having 600MHz spec I don't think 625 1M will cause any difficulties

George o/c, OPB's case is already being worked through by hwcrew, very soon we'll see the final verdict. OT (answering your question) I've been trying to play with mchbar a bit, but it gains close to nothing in 1M.

George, sorry for confusion. Will be done ASAP As for coolaler - you know how hwbot works 1.Found suspicious score 2.Don't start flame in public 3.Report the score with your points why it's not valid 4.Let hwcrew decide on it's validity... Me and other people already expressed my opinion - that we see it as valid