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The ONLY thing that matters, long-term, is PERCEPTION. People now associate Haswell ES as being better than retail. They can be differentiated by the (ES) tags in CPU-Z, so people are always going to wonder. It doesn't matter if retail matures over 6 months and beats ES. This is why ES have to be treated differently. Everything is fine if retail is better than ES on launch day- Joe Public thinks "Yay! We have a chance!" If ES is better, there is whining UNLESS ES are going to a different league. IMO, ES MUST be kept separate- in the Pro League. The way it was originally decided. The XOC or Enthusiast League should be ES free. ES decided by (ES,) not by stepping.

So....here we are, back once again in the situation of complaining because ES is better than retail and we want to push them out of overclocking because "normal people" cannot get them. One day, maybe people will start listening to me, but I am going to ask a question (maybe two) and I want (interested) people to answer, truthfully and think BEYOND their own situation and think about more people than just themselves and their own rankings. That condition is VERY important. Do we want to see the best scores possible with the best hardware that exists, or do we only want to see the best scores if we think we can beat them? I honestly see early Haswell ES as no bigger problem than ePower. I have neither, but I don't mind that some people do, because it shows us the best possible scores. I'd rather ban ePower than ban cherry ES. The best CPU installs in a board just as easily as a bunny one.

Gigabyte OC board, BIOS F5B, PCI-E Gen2 set in BIOS

I found that if I took the CPU colder than -120, 3D would stutter like crazy. Scores were in the toilet. I shall name this....cold-stutter

L310B479 4750MHz/ 4GHz Uncore, 4C/4T, SPi32M @ 1.375v. Less = crash. Didn't feel like pumping in more

...and the XPower has the PCI-E lanes?

I thought ES was always allowed? This is the Pro League, after all?

I know it's early days, but i'm REALLY interested in seeing the differences between these boards in regard to MHz and efficiency

Do you have a link to XP drivers for it? It would potentially make my...week.

Is it possible to get ethernet drivers running on XP with this board? The NIC is ADP5102, right?

I'll check my stepping and let you know. I didn't actually check! Ok, so I need to up my strap if I want to up my Uncore, fair enough All my problems are in XP so far Thanks!

Yea, best CB I saw at the OCN launch event was -140 pot base IIRC. SHOULD have been with GC-Extreme, but I dont know. Are we binning for 5GHz? Some of the chips we had were running wPrime at 4.9GHz, 1.25v, but 5GHz needed a BIG jump in voltage. I honestly think these chips are cooler than Ivy, from what i've tested so far.

Now I have the same problem with these drivers on XP and .NET 4.5 isn't for XP

As title really Is the software still being tweaked/ developed?

Thanks LN2 switch is definitely disabled. About "Multiplier buttons forcing the CPU back to stock MHz until the board is restarted CPU stuck at 800MHz in Windows (I think also connected to the buttons)" Those problems might be related to EIST. To start with, EIST enabled gave me fewer problems, then problems developed. Now, it's disabled and I have more stable MHz, but now the buttons aren't doing anything I also have WILD variations in my SPi times. 0.8secs in 1M and >40 in 32M

Has anyone else had problems with: Uncore Freq not changing when the multiplier is changed in BIOS Multiplier buttons forcing the CPU back to stock MHz until the board is restarted CPU stuck at 800MHz in Windows (I think also connected to the buttons) 1.65vCore limit, even when 1.80v is set in BIOS

PM'd

I suggested this months ago.

I've not tried Bills firmware mods. Do they actually work? I have slightly damaged my card- I cannot put the OCP components back on, then increase vCore with software. I am stuck with this situation

I have still to try a custom version of SmartDoctor that I found on my hard disk, but every other piece of software i've tried maxxed out at 1.21v real (=1.25v idle, measured with DMM)

I have no idea. It's a CS BIOS.... I don't know if that's useful info or not FBE won't let me push over 1.21v, but I kinda knew that already.

I tried 2.1 + volt unlock. The slider goes to 1.40v, but if I "Apply" more than 1.21v, the slider jumps back to 1.21v It's confirmed by a hard readpoint. It's progress of some kind... at least voltunlock can patch now!

I did the OCP mod as shown: Now i'm struggling to find software that will let me take the vCore over 1.21v. I've tried Asus SmartDoctor, nVInspector (of course) and Afterburner with the voltage unlock tool.... it cannot find the patching location. Any help appreciated

I asked for that a while ago, tis a good idea (I might be biased)

Got it working with .NET 4.5 "there is a boost" Thanks nVidia and Christian Never have I been so frustrated at having no LN2 for a couple more days