Massman

Bill made some valid points in the last thread, I'd say contact a newspaper and make it frontpage news

Will fix it, a lot of mistakes here Edit: Check again, please

Rules are not waterproof - we know that already . Last line I disagree (and many of us, I think). Think this thread has been going on a bit too long, I'll close this one and let George/Bill know what the final verdict is. We will take everything into account and will find the best solution. To continue the discussion about hardware sharing => http://www.hwbot.org/forum/showthread.php?p=14907#post14907 <=

Yes

C'mon, you replied to my PM's on XS

Okay, that's the answer I wanted on 24th of December

I'm talking about the SUPERPI/PIFAST/CPU-Z/... => Are the QX9650 scores done with your cpu?

And the 2D benchmarks?

I repeat my question: Are the benches done with your CPU? (any cpu you own)

My question is: has these benches been done with your (read: do you own?) cpu?

http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=677872 http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=677893 http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=677888'>http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=677888 http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=677888 http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=677868 http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=677869 http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=677858 http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=677853 These are not done with your CPU?

To put it out in results: Someone else, of your team, benching with YOUR GPU and therefor hardware sharing http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=679384 http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=676995 http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=679524 http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=679525 http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=676968 http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=679526 http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=676965 http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=679390 http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=676974 Someone else, of your team, benching with YOUR CPU and therefor hardware sharing http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=677015 http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=676992 http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=676961 http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=679477 http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=679457 Correct me if I'm wrong

So technically you're sharing right?

HEY !!! As far as I know (and have said) lending and renting hardware is illegal on HWBOT. Why are you guys trying to bend the rules? It seems to me that everyone understands the rule besides HOT? Why??? Lending/renting hardware is not allowed. Did you lend E. or G. your VGA, yes or no? I can't make this even more simple guys. Even the situation with Unseen is clear as water: he gets the cpu from a magazine to write a review => he's allowed to post results. Hipro gets a cpu from intel => he's allowed to post results. 18 pages of ramblings ....

Okay, but what if that person decides to join HWBot after two weeks? How can we be sure that person is not on HWBot?

An example has been given in this thread:

Rules that stands above all other rules: "Do not upload results you have not achieved yourself" . So if someone else benches your CPU, technically you are the owner, so you should upload the result. But that's not allowed as you have not done the benching. Restriction on the SLI/CF-thing is not a bad idea, really. I'll have to think of a way to formulate it to make it controlable. Thanks for the input, mate.

Yes, but you can't submit 2D results with the QX9650.

Summarized the rules regarding team benching like they are now. Some need to be re-written or add some line to + need to add sponsored events. These rules are about CPU and GPU, not motherboards/ram/tweaks. Bench alone: - post results with your own hardware - post results with hardware you have for review, send by the manufacturer himself - FORBIDDEN: post results not done by you / not your hardware. Bench session with more than 1 person: - post result to account of owner of the hardware (3d: vga, 2d: cpu) - when sli bench with two owners (each one card) post result to one account (you can chose which account) - FORBIDDEN: post multiple results of the same session spread over different accounts - FORBIDDEN: share cpu on 2D and/or gpu on 3D benches with team members to gain more points.

Sir AN7_OverClocker, this has been the last post of you that has nothing to do with the issue of hardware sharing in this thread. Understood?!

This rule applies to team benching and as far as I know you guys are not in the same team. Little mistake, I assume, but RB is clearing this up with hadji_a, Unseen .

Fixed place2/3 issue Can it be that your WP32M is not that good? He's hitting 18,5 @ 4.3G as well. Anyway, asked for info

A 12th page? Didn't see that Guys, please re-read my comment (second half of alinea 1 + alinea 2 + alinea 3) and think about it. Respect and reputation have nothing to do with HWBot guidelines and both words can upset so many people that those should not be used in public . @Hipro: There's nothing wrong with saying what you feel, hell people should do it more, but always try to choose your words and make sure you're not creating an emotional tsunami of something which is purely based on facts ("what has happened?"). Shouting doesn't always work, being friendly does . Offtopic: Seems like I will have to watch my steps on CeBit

First of all, I can't say I don't feel feel horribly disrespected in this case. George, why on earth did you make such a big deal out of this??? I remember sending you PM's on XS to find out what was going on the 23th December a day before I opened a thread about this on the crew forums. A clear explanation then and this would not have been a problem at all. After those PM's I contacted Bill as well to listen to your story, once again to settle this in all peace and he suggested a private forum in which we could exchange thoughts without having to cause big problems anywhere. Instead of that, you chose to open a thread here which has set up a lot of users more than it has set up us. Please, next time we ask for some kind of story, think about keeping the people who are not related to the problem out of this. To continue, I cannot leave your opinion about Thomas and Tsan's opinion about SF3D unanswered. These people do incredible jobs here, more than you can imagine. Both of them are in my eyes most respectable people, because they sacrifice big parts of their free time to this site, to make it better and to create a happy environment for people to play in. As said before, we are still human and still rely on our cognition to make discissions. 99% of the descissions we make are heavily discussed in our crew forums. Second, most important to me, before you guys get back to benching, settle down and talk to your fellow greek clockers! It seems to me that this thread mainly has derailed because of this thing which is going on between both HOT and OOFS, while OOFS had nothing to do with this. You're all grown-up and mature enough to understand each other perfectly and I really couldn't hope more than both teams burrying the weapons and just respect each other. You cannot be friends with everyone on this planet, but you can always be friendly to everyone, even if you really dislike that person. Hell, the benching community is pretty small (comparing to the gaming community), why would we divide them up in segments anyway? Third, (time to get back to business) would you please give your opinion about hardware sharing in general? I have seen -hidden somewhere between the other posts- different good solutions in this thread, but all had a flaw somewhere. We really need your input on the team benching as you are the people who are actually benching as a team, coming together as a team. I can honestly say that I really wanted to be living in Greece right now, because the scene seems to be fantastic, but I'm afraid that the proportion of active benchers in my country is so low that I might not see team benching entirely correct. I'm pretty sure that I'm underestimating the impact of teams on HWBot and I really want to change that. For instance, would it be a good idea to give the team moderators a view of new rules and ideas before they are actually enforced in the future? Note: I didn't use any smilies as I should have posted a after every sentence. @Tasos: Agreed, we need acceptance to keep HWBot running, we rely on our members. So, we also rely on our members to understand that what we do is purely for the sake of our members (all 8895). If we find some problems, we would like to have a clear answer straight away and have the problem solved in one, two even three PM's .

When are you guys willing to tell what happened? I have heard a gazillion stories and none of them give me reasons why not to block those results. Besides the fact that it's kind of obvious that people used Hipro's hardware (see the list he made on page2 - where are E. and G. ??), we have several other inconsistencies in any story we hear. I can understand that it might not be amusing that we consider this illegal, but this thread has made this a bigger issue than it really is.