gulftown ES vs Retail

[diezel]

Everyone knows that the es cpu''s better than the retail.

that's very unfortunate for the league on hwbot.

 

but the ES have also other cpu speeds 3.07 mhz and 2.04mhz the retail will be 3.33ghz

 

how solves hwbot that ?

 

sorry for me bad engels

Edited February 27, 2010 by diezel

[Massman]

It's as unfortunate as one person having a golden R5870 which does 1600MHz.

[Johnny99]

@Massman,

 

if you are so lucky that you buy that GPU than you desurve it. but not everybody can get his hands on a GOOD es. so it's unfair to me!

Edited February 27, 2010 by Johnny99
//sorry, pressed edit instead of quote ... :-/

[knopflerbruce]

If the stock speed is different there should be a separate HW category for those chips, as the specs don't match the 3.33GHz ones.

 

We can't check what's handpicked and what's not - which is the same for ALL users, not just the top 20 in the global ranking.

[Massman]

@Massman,

 

that's ****bull and you know it. if you are so lucky that you buy that GPU than you desurve it. but not everybody can get his hands on a GOOD es. so it's unfair to me!

 

If you use this kind of offensive language, I'm not even interested in your opinion. Voice your opinion in a decent manner or don't do it at all.

 

That being said, what if I didn't buy the graphics card and just had plain luck with one sample? Still fair? Also, what's the difference between someone being able to buy a golden retail or a golden es sample.

[diezel]

If the stock speed is different there should be a separate HW category for those chips, as the specs don't match the 3.33GHz ones.

 

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the speeds of some es dont match the retail speeds . a separate HW category for those chips,

 

thats fair to me

[Kal-EL]

They've been thinking about it since forever.

 

Difficult to enforce.

[BenchZowner]

I think it's wiser to wait for a couple ( well... I mean 30-50 ) retail 980X get tested on LN2 and then if there's a huge discrepancy between the Q3FE E.S. that were hitting 6.4GHz + and the retail 980X's hitting 6.1 - 6.2GHz at most, I'd rule out the Gulftown E.S. off HWbot's ranked results ( by ranked results I mean the results awarded with points & hwpoints )

[Massman]

What is the exact line then? 200MHz on average? 200MHz maximum? 100MHz maybe?

 

And what if all people who have a crazy ES just wait from submitting the high-clock scores? Retail = 6GHz, so cut-off = 6.1GHz ... ES can do 6.5GHz, but people just run at 6.1GHz. The best retail compete with an easy clocked ES.

[diezel]

i think ES is for reviewing only .it is not for sell in any store !! .(as the most people had also voted on hwbot v1)

 

if not why not make a separate HW category for ES cpu's thats fair

 

i think ES rules OC world on hwbot thats not fair . it is not for sell in any store get my point !

I mean this good in relation to fair play overclocking

Edited February 27, 2010 by diezel

[Massman]

it is not for sell in any store get my point !

 

You can buy it on eBay .

[knopflerbruce]

200MHz isn't really that much, it's 3% more CPU speed. IMO that the first batches are worse than the Q3FE chips isn't enough to block those ES chips from receiving boints. If nothing comes closer than 200MHz after a couple of months and a whole bunch of batches have been clocked to death, then it's time to discuss this perhaps.

[diezel]

You can buy it on eBay .

 

ebay is not a store mate .

[diezel]

200MHz isn't really that much, it's 3% more CPU speed. IMO that the first batches are worse than the Q3FE chips isn't enough to block those ES chips from receiving boints. If nothing comes closer than 200MHz after a couple of months and a whole bunch of batches have been clocked to death, then it's time to discuss this perhaps.

 

Quote from xs

 

RevA0 is far superior to RevB0 much like with i7-975's,

I know of someone who has both Q3QP, Q3FE, Q3VG + Q4EG and by his results under LN2 the best performing is by far the Q3FE (6.5-6.6GHz) then Q3QP (6.4GHz) then Q3VG (6.2GHz) and finally Q4EG (6.1GHz) it may not seem like a lot but there are worl records to be had

 

Quote knopflerbruce .

 

Originally Posted by knopflerbruce

If the stock speed is different there should be a separate HW category for those chips, as the specs don't match the 3.33GHz ones.

 

the specs don't match the 3.33GHz ones that rest me point

Edited February 27, 2010 by diezel

[knopflerbruce]

Quote from xs

 

RevA0 is far superior to RevB0 much like with i7-975's,

I know of someone who has both Q3QP, Q3FE, Q3VG + Q4EG and by his results under LN2 the best performing is by far the Q3FE (6.5-6.6GHz) then Q3QP (6.4GHz) then Q3VG (6.2GHz) and finally Q4EG (6.1GHz) it may not seem like a lot but there are worl records to be had

 

Quote knopflerbruce .

 

Originally Posted by knopflerbruce

If the stock speed is different there should be a separate HW category for those chips, as the specs don't match the 3.33GHz ones.

 

that rest me point

 

The last of my statements you quoted was about hardware categories, not globals. 2.4GHz stock != 3.07GHz stock != 3.33GHz stock.

[Massman]

ebay is not a store mate .

 

It has been used in the past to argument about the local sales. Some products can only be bought in the US or Russia and apparently it's okay to use eBay as argument then. Why not in this discussion?

[diezel]

sorry mate

I think you're right with a separate HW category for those chips, as the specs don't match the 3.33GHz ones.

[diezel]

It has been used in the past to argument about the local sales. Some products can only be bought in the US or Russia and apparently it's okay to use eBay as argument then. Why not in this discussion?

 

i think e-bay is not a store but you gan use eBay as argument no problem

 

i am not looking for a fight i am looking for fair play overclocking on HWBOT ES vs RETAIL

 

make a vote among the people on HWBOT the people who posted scores on HWBOT

and see what the vote ES vs RETAIL thats fair ....

Edited February 27, 2010 by diezel

[Massman]

So, in the end, these early ES samples are available to everyone who knows where to find them. They are rare, but can be bought. Golden retail samples are also rare and quite difficult to find them.

 

hm.

[diezel]

make a vote among the people on HWBOT the people who posted scores on HWBOT

and see what the vote ES vs RETAIL thats fair ....

 

Most votes count ! thats fair

Edited February 27, 2010 by diezel

[Massman]

The suggested vote is completely biased by the fact that some people don't have one (including myself) and some people have one. Furthermore, people who never bench LN2 have nothing to do with this issue ...

[diezel]

so vote only whit the ln2 benchers

[BenchZowner]

The difference is more than 200MHz, as there are some Q3FEs ( don't know in whose hands most of them are nowadays, but I know a few people who had/have 6.6GHz Pi1M gulftown ESs, 6.5GHz easy 3D & Pi32M, 6.4GHz all 3D, etc ).

I refuse to believe that a very newer revision will clock worse than those early ES revisions ( unless Intel really went out of their road and headed to the mt. Everest cherrypicking those "few" golden Q3FEs ).

 

If nobody manages to get a retail 980X ( on his own, not by somebody who knows someone who knows someone whose cousin works for Intel ) that benches Pi1M at 6.3-6.4GHz then I think we might have to exclude the ESs.

 

Patience is a virtue, so IMHO we should wait a bit and see.

I'm waiting for the launch to get one or two CPUs to play with.

[Kal-EL]

Seems like a ton of ES gulftowns hit the market. Alot of people have them and arnt posting up scores. Mostly Ln2 benchers.

[diezel]

To Mid March Nda . Then The Scores Wil Be Posted

Edited February 27, 2010 by diezel