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Good score, that's a nice chip!
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7 hours ago, cbjaust said:
@mickulty, which APU is that from? The HD 7750 is not listed in the CPU World page but there is reference to it in the comments of that page working with the A8-5600K.
Also there is a thread here with more requests...
That's with a 7860K. It's not listed anywhere but "just works" without any messing around.
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@Leeghoofd please could you add AMD Radeon R7 (512 Shaders) + HD 7750 Dual Graphics? Alternatively AMD Radeon R7 (512 Shaders) + R7 250 Dual Graphics could be changed to AMD Radeon R7 (512 Shaders) + R7 200 Dual Graphics to encompass the 7750 option as GPU-Z thinks they're the same, and it could be difficult for users to pick the right one because of how long the name is...
EDIT: Ignore my ramblings about name length, it actually shows up fine, dunno what I was thinking
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5 hours ago, unityofsaints said:
Board run out of Vcore or no 1:1 RAM ratio?
Board run out of Vcore.
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@chew* overclocking as a hobby is already not really cost effective, my point is that if people are genuine enthusiasts who wanna compete to extract the most performance then they still can.
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Even if a future processor gets really good at extracting every last drop of performance, and even if we ignore running at unstable settings or with unsafe voltage, you can still work on performance by doing stuff with cooling.
Also, let's not forget memory tuning. The community of casual AMD users has mostly decided that processor OC for Ryzen 2nd and 3rd gen starts and ends with PBO, but that's led to more people scratching their tuning itch with obsessive memory tweaking. Mostly I've seen this expressed by posting aida64 screenshots on discord and reddit, and IMO a feeling seems to have developed that there's something magic about sub-60ns memory latency in aida64 with a Ryzen processor.
Maybe it would be good to have more memory benchmarks on HWBOT ?
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13 hours ago, yosarianilives said:
If you want to make it relevant then just look at the question as "Should we treat non native AGP/PCI as AGP/PCI". Which if treated like cpus the answer would be no, as when cpus run non native sockets (771 in 775, 479 in 278, haswell bga on lga 1150, etc) they get treated as the native socket not the one which they were actually run on.
However historically this has not been the case for non native gpus, personally I think they should be left as AGP or PCI if that's the out of the box configuration as at this point it would piss off too many people to change it to the native socket. But are they really any different than lga 771 cpus that have the pad mod soldered on and edges cut so they fit into a 775 board with zero modifications? Or the haswell chips with the conversion from BGA to LGA soldered on?
Retail hardware is treated as a 'black box', and post-retail modifications aren't treated as changing what the hardware is (this also goes for unlocking 6950s, 290s, furies, X800 Pro VIVOs etc even if the unlocked 290 is 'effectively' a 290X in basically every way).
The real peculiarity is the BGA to LGA chips, there might be a case for them getting their own hardware category if "dodgy ebay/aliexpress seller" can be counted as "retail", whereas currently it seems to have defaulted to them being treated as a socket adapter with added convinience.
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2 hours ago, yosarianilives said:
So I'm thinking over how the driver seems to handle seeing a PCI card with a bridge chip as just a PCIE card, and it makes me wonder purely hypothetically could you bypass the bridge chip at the hardware level and go directly to PCIe with essentially the PCI or AGP bus hanging to the side as almost a vestigial bus. While I don't expect or plan on seeing this during the comp it could in theory be possible and would raise the question of if it's even still an AGP or PCI card since you've bypassed the PCI/AGP portion of the card. I'd think at first it would be like a cpu adapter where the cpu is still treated as it's original socket, but you're not converting from AGP/PCI to PCIE, you're preventing a conversion from PCIE to AGP/PCI.
But if we say that bypassing the pcb level adapter makes it no longer an AGP/PCI card then can we even say it was a AGP/PCI card to begin with as it's just an adapter built into the card to go from PCIE to the intended bus in basically the same way the interposers for mobile haswell chips bring them to desktop sockets.
I suppose this has no relevance to the current comp anymore,especially since nobody is going to risk a rare gpu to try this myself included, but reading back through the discussion kinda brought up a head twist.
I REPEAT, THIS IS NOT A LOOPHOLE GOD DAMMIT! SO PEOPLE DON'T FUCKING CUSS ME OUT FOR THIS SHIT
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4 hours ago, bolc said:
Are ryzen cpus banned from being benched in w10?
if only w7 is allowed for the "regular" benchs, do you guys have a tutorial for installing w7 on a board with 1 ps2 and usb3s only? or an os swap may go? (from a 1150 install, it goes on the desktop,...)
There are many benches that are OK on windows 10 - same OS rules as with socket 1150/2011-3 and earlier Intel.
For AM4 300 and 400 series boards you can easily get 7 working, follow https://www.asrock.com/microsite/Win7Install/
Hopefully someone else can answer the question about benchmate with 10 better than I can as I've avoided 10 so far.
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25% interested in OC and 10% of those interested in competitive OC are both very ambitious IMO. You also have a third percentage for people who can do competitive OC - the vast majority of these gamers are kids, they might only have use of a small bedroom with no space for a separate bench system, even if they wanted one and could afford the hardware.
To be honest though, competitive OC is a hobby not a business for 99.9%. Why invest time and effort into trying to grow it like it's a business? We shouldn't be worrying about how to market the hobby, we should be doing the hobby. I'm sure an army of motivated volunteers could grow hwbot to 2x where it is currently, but what would the benefit of that be? Would it be more fun for anyone? Would these new people build it up, or drain it? I think the best thing is what guys including buildzoid, keeph8n and mythical tech do where they share what they've done and the fun they've had with it on various platforms, but leave it to the people watching to decide if they want to do the same. If someone gets into it because they want to that's much better than getting into it because they were told to by someone trying to grow what doesn't need to grow.
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2 hours ago, Bones said:
From personal experience I've ran into some of this myself before, just seems to me alot of the new guys I've spoken with before have an attitude they want to press a button and have instant WR results, it just doesn't work that way.
Instead of working for what you get they want it E-Z-P-Z and all of it served up to them on a silver platter..... Then wonder "Why" their results are far short of what the rest of us have been doing.
I can't imagine those guys will last in the hobby unless their attitude changes.
Advice to newbies: from when I started with a junk P4 system on ambient to more recently with a proper OC board and LN2, I've always had more fun working hard on a single score even if that one score isn't worth much. Cheesing golds on obscure hardware makes for a nice trophy cabinet but isn't satisfying (I would know). 3 LN2 sessions and 4 corrupted OS's for one pifast score is satisfying.
Speaking of this the price tag is only higher to get world records and top 3D scores on modern GPUs. Which yes, isn't ideal, and I still think it would be nice if there were more ways to get up there on points by working hard without having to drop so much cash. But you can still compete on some very cheap hardware.
To the thread topic, overclocking isn't dying. There are new people getting into it all the time. Some of these people are definitely happy to put the work in. Sure, it's not as big as some of the biggest hobbies in the world like competitive fortnite... but so what?
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Great to see these old monsters in action!
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@Seal2fast are either GPU pots still available?
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31 minutes ago, Leeghoofd said:
I would also suggest this direction Gregor,
Integrated GPUs use system memory only, The ones with dedicated memory I would call them e.g. Integrated(memory)
My biggest issue when wanting to design any IGP related contest is the same questions always pop up; can we use Iris Pro or Hades based CPUs,? To keep it competitive the answer will be a solid no. Now it is also silly if we would always exclude these, time after time...So why not give these a seperate category
This makes sense. It solves the problem that Vega M while 'dedicated-like' is still inextricably linked to the CPU.
The HD 3200, 3300, 4200, 4250 and 4290 IGPs support "sideport" memory according to wikipedia, these would also fall into this category. There are probably also some much much older examples.
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17 hours ago, Strunkenbold said:
I'm honestly not really happy with that move. Depending on who you ask, the definition of IGPs are sometimes GPU integrated in the CPU die or / and CPU and GPU die on the same package. So the Polaris GPU is on the same package with the kaby lake CPU. They are connected via a pcie bus, but it shouldn't be too surprising that they don't use something super fancy given the fact that a Intel part talks to an AMD part.
Anyway I remember clarkdale having a GPU and CPU die. They were on the same package. Would anyone argue that it's not an IGP? So I fail to see what makes the difference here.
Of course those parts are much faster than all before existing IGPs. But that can't be the criteria, right?
If you agree, I would move them back to integrated and disallow the usage in this stage.
Clarkdale's IGP is also the memory controller. I think that all IGPs in the last couple of decades appear to be part of chips that have other purposes as well (CPU, northbridge, chipset or BMC), whereas all discrete GPUs are separate chips.
To futureproof against chiplets I would also suggest that any GPU that uses exclusively system memory is an IGP, whereas a GPU that normally doesn't use system memory is not an IGP.
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3 hours ago, yosarianilives said:
I mean the theme of this comp is if it's not explicitly disallowed it's probably allowed. And so if the socket that it's registered in on the db is allowed and the arch is allowed I don't see any reason it wouldn't be allowed but leeg would need to confirm.
When did anyone say that was the "theme of the comp"?
It's an attitude some people take and push, no more than that.
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4 hours ago, keeph8n said:
This was ran at fullpot
Woah. Do they always do that, or is it a thing with Asus cold volts?
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Ooh, nice. How warm did it have to be to keep 1:1 UCLK?
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@cbjaust I posted about this too in the main CC thread (didn't see your post) - FYI leeg has fixed it now
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58 minutes ago, Leeghoofd said:
Renamed it to Dedicated single core GPU cards only to be used
Brilliant, it seems to work now, thank you!
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16 minutes ago, Noxinite said:
You can force flash with Asrock's Windows BIOS tool.
Just uncheck the "check motherboard version" or w/e. This works for flashing Core2Dual to 775VSTA as well.
Do you mean 4CoreDual? And if so, why would someone do that?
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1 hour ago, yosarianilives said:
Athlon FX? 6400+
I know what you meant tho
As for fx 32m last year he's talking about how I made the mistake of saying I was gonna get an 8 Ghz 32m score then looked really silly when I didn't, not to mention it was single channel although that was a whole Nother issue
See, I was just talking about magical inefficiency with good hardware. Sessions go badly for everyone.
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Can't post a Hybrid score to Stage 8 as the stage is set up to limit to 1 core, whereas the database (sensibly) sees it as 2 cores.
Cas has fix pls?
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DDR2 record holder and generally someone known for insane memory speed/performance, but sadly seems to be retired - @Noxinite