Alex@ro

Oh man , you understand absolutely nothing from what i say . Look,i get that you get paid and sponsored by the results/rank at hwbot and it is normal that you defend what would suit you best,in this case higher rewarding 3d points . However this should not influence the rest of the people and decisions should not be taken before asking. As i stated my opinion about the ranking and also prooved who wants this change and why, i am out of here . Btw Hypocrite is no offence,it simply describes the way a person acts and behaves which is absolutely the case of @rbuass , an absolute deceiver .

Counting houts till 2200 xtu... Sent from my SM-N910F using Tapatalk

You quote me and edit what i say. I did not say that you OWN hyndreds of cards , i say that your cards ARE BINNED FROM HUNDREDS . For people to understand why i say this,for the Galaxy GOC Contest this year there were about 30-35 cards bought ,i reffer to Galaxy GOC Ln2 Edition at 1000$ . Despite the huge cost,most of them were absolute thrash cards,i was not the only one that got a 1470/1950 card that failed . The best piece on ln2 was Dancop's around 2000 core. Also the cards used for finals maxxed before 2050 . Now you and your friend schenkelbros submit multiple benches at 2150-2170 with your cards ,see the binning? You are really a Hyprocrite with capital H rbuass . Now i quote you: "For the last, but not the least, I keep my point of view: Should be Forbidden: Engeenering Samples Not public BIOS and hardware" Really ? Your Galax Power card is not a ES or must had been released in the market and i missed it... Your binned 980Ti is also not public since binned from hundreds the possibility of hitting this retail is less than 1%. Now this is the drama , how can you expect the rest of the people that do not have the cash to purchase a single 980TI to be happy with the change?Moreover how do you expect people that do not have the connections/multiple thousands of dollars to binn 980TI yet they own only a single normal card to agree with this change ? Is it so hard to understand that modifying input equals a different output?Is it so hard to understand that 2d benches are more popular hence they get more points? We want our hobby to get a bigger fan-pool yet when this happens we are still not happy because they don't submit 3D with 980TI... I think that adding WR points for hard 3D like firestrikes would please the industry hard-workers and maybe adding a cap to XTU algorithm so that when certain amount of submissions is achieved points don't grow anymore. For example,this is a result done with a single 980TI on water,an average card: http://hwbot.org/submission/3057119_kimir_3dmark___fire_strike_extreme_geforce_gtx_980_ti_10255_marks This gets 20 points . What amount of points do you think this deserves?In my opinion this is pretty fair considering the amount of effort to achieve this. An average 6700K(altough quite good) with good tweaking gets 24 global points: http://hwbot.org/submission/3084314_george.kokovinis_xtu_core_i7_6700k_1715_marks Yes , there are additional 19.7 hw points because of the popularity. Why are some people unhappy?Because a 1000$ 5960X + 700$ 980Ti gets slighty less points than a 2d results with 6700K ? Well maybe your coworker earns more money than you doing less complicated things, equity is hard to find in our world. Especially since most people around here tend to forget that the majority of people run benches on hardware they purchased for doing something else(gaming,rendering,work,etc) not the other way around and this is very important to remember folks,our hobby is optional not mandatory ...

Gj happy new year

For the record i binned 35 cpu in which i got 3 good 5 ghz 1.36,1.35 and 1.37, 2 decent 1.41 and 1.42 and rest junk.... Sent from my SM-N910F using Tapatalk

syberian power

Because he started the 3d points phenomen and i don't see the majority of community considering this measure necesary.. To put it in perspective , average bencher benches 2d and what 3d can afford , maybe he can afford a 980ti maybe not but somehow he is pleased with the way things are. Now comes rbuass who has the key to binn dozens and hundreds of 980TI and complains everyday that 3d points are low.Let's say management listens to rbuass and does what he wants.How will the average bencher feel? Not good.That is the problem,ask the community first and if the majority is happy with this idea then everything is perfect . This is all about the community standing behind this platform,not personal feeling and so on . I do not like to bring this into discussion but you have to remember xtremesystems and other communities that todayy are not doing vvery good. I do not want this to happen to my favorite place so that's why i write this posts. I take responsability for what i write,i am ok with that .

You can't give more points to the people who afford to buy stuff just because benchmark it's harder.Yes,it if more complex but it will not happen unless you spend the money on the parts needed... 2D is having higher points now just because more people bench it,therefore the number of submitters is much higher than 3D. As Roman said,it is highly unlikely that everyone has a 980Ti on the desk and will not submit just because he gets little amount of points. To sum up , lowering the threshold on 3D seems like a good idea . In any case , let's remember why did this phenomen started.Rbuass is an even bigger drama-queen than me so he started 3 topics where he complains that despite the huge-ammount of binning Galaxy did for his results he still has lower points than he expected for this effort. Other people complained also (still a low percentage of actual submitters,keep this in mind) so Massman got stuck with the idea that indeed 3d should get more points ... Nothing negative so far and it is good that people express their feelings but why should other people be influenced by this ? So i come and ask, why is there no poll already? Make a poll with a few questions regarding the direction of the hwbot platform and points . In order to count (and the things stated to change ) let's say 60% of the active benchers(over 20 submissions to say) in the last year have to vote. If the percentage is met then we move along in implementing what people voted . Only after then measures should be taken, not because 1-2-5 people complain about something.I have my complains too and everyone has them but nobody takes measure after asking only me.

Same to you Pieter !

First of all overclocking can not and it will never be a major phenomen.Argue with me as much as you like but it simply does not have the prerequisites to become sport e.g e-sport. Overclocking nowdays is about who is willing to invest big money /have great support and be a top-ranker. Overclocking is about investing money with getting basically nothing in return . Yes , you get nice words from a few people and your self-esteem goes higher when you demolish some other scores but it's just about that. Bottom line is that at the end of the day you are left with a great pile of hardware (if it still lives) and that's it.Sure,you can win some competitions and get some money back but you can't make a living out of this. Let's see how things go in other sports . People invest money in training/equipment,years of practice till going pro . But then you have everything covered with a monthly income,you have sponsors to represent and you get additional income from publicity and so on, and when you finally retire you surely earned enough to not care about the financial problems anymore. The hardware industry is a big one for sure but overclocking is just an additional feature in this world . There are millions of people who simply don't care and buy parts to use them at stock frequency.There are people that perform a mild overclock to get a decent performance bonus and finally from these people some just want to push things further and explore the limits. In order to explore these limits you have to: -buy special components e.g unlocked cpu's ,good motherboards,top rated ram kits,strong PSU,etc -get cooling equiment for these components,water cooling,sub-zero pots probes,insulation,etc -possibility of buying liquid-nitrogen,dry-ice,etc -as this was not enough,to get a top-score you need to binn a few cpu's(read dozens),video-cards,ram-kits,etc. -invest the most expensive resource,lots of TIME The results is getting good scores and absolutely nothing in return.Surely you can just view this as a hobby but let's be frank,for normal people it's damn expensive. ALSO,compared to other hobbies things are very volatile in our world.Say you managed to score a WR and this is like getting a unique stamp or a very rare coin or getting the biggest fish ever caught. Its very likely that your WR will be shattered by internal overclockers or other people having more money/more connections than you. If this doesn't happen,IT WILL with a newer generation of hardware parts. So we are left with money spent for a good ranking at hwbot. Your confidence will be big but your wallet still emty.Basically it doesn't matter because you do not win anything from it,no money back,lot's of wasted time for nothing.. And here comes the DRAMA . In any time of year , Hwbot can make changes to the algorythm and rankings will change . WHy? because they can and nobody gives a crack. You just can't change ranking because you own this place and platform and you are in charge. Hwbot at the moment is a database composed of results from overclockers. If these overclockers suddently decide to remove all their results hwbot simply does not exist.So how can you encourage more and more results from people when their place in rankings change from one day to another by external decisions ? IF you want to change something you need to make a poll for that decision.No matter how small or big this decision is . Threads like this simply should not exist and any changes to rankings,number of benchmarks that have points,the value of the points,etc needs to be voted and accepted by the community. You say you started this topic because rbu ass and other people are not happy . Why didn't you started a poll with a few questions that you had in mind?Give it 1 month time and see the results.Then discuss and come to this thread ? This is really funny and compared to real world,it's like the president comes tomorrow and say starting today all cars painted white can;t be used anymore.Except that the leader can't take this decision alone and needs to be processed first in the parliament and house of representatives.Which were ellected by the people.Oh wait , do we have something like this here? This thread is the failure of the year from my point of view and represents the failure of hwbot in establishing itself as a strong community for a small but passionate group of people.

Well i was referring to this,only 2 kit i saw for 2800 c6 and both needed huge volts(dinos and luumi) .

Oh... Well don't waste money on those man, they should have E-die on them similar to 3200 3466 dual and quad kits Sent from my SM-N910F using Tapatalk

3666 for x99?where? Sent from my SM-N910F using Tapatalk

100E for Pi's , 80-100 for Patriots or maybe more if they do well,i've yet to see a single kit doing good on cold,i mean real good as over 2800 C6... As for the Corsairs...maybe 120-150E,tough you may get lucky and sell to regular folks better...

Good find! Sent from my SM-N910F using Tapatalk

Yes, that is terrible, chip looked golden Sent from my SM-N910F using Tapatalk

Got one l546 with new SRL20 overclocks like shit no boot 5ghz on water... Sent from my SM-N910F using Tapatalk

Wait, so for every event there is one winner and that one is given a free ticket for final? I assume this will be intense and obviously not equal opportunity for people in Europe vs other continents. Why don't you give the tickets proportionally to the number of overcloxkers in top 100 for every continent?

that is very good eff considering available ram in hwbotprime,not bad

on hold

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bump

Nice, delidded? My chip goes 4900 1.45 cinebench water and 5500 hwbot prime at - 60 evap Sent from my SM-N910F using Tapatalk

What is your temperature?

For this weekend only 200E limited offer.You get like 7 cards for hwpoints plus a 5970 waterblock....