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Same as any other event... old/classic gear gets its own specialist event or gets a little corner or a mainstream event. Airshows... racing events... any technology show.... most of the focus is on the latest and greatest. It gets the most interest. How will this be better than what I have now? Is it value for money? What is the best that technology can offer NOW? Older platforms are from a time before HWB... not so many people are using them any more on a day to day basis and the ones who are probably dont care about getting the best performance from them. A reasonable % of the parts aren't even easy to find on Ebay, or aren't a good price for the performance. The latest and greatest gets the attention, gets the sales and yes, from a competitive OC point of view, will bring more sponsors. Thing is though... If I go to a company and say "I have 2000 hardware points on HWB".... That means NOTHING to them If I say... "I have 100 top 5 results on HWB, in some of the most popular hardware categories" That has a much clearer context. I dont think points make sponsors..... proof ob ability in relevant categories does... I believe the points awarded for a score should be proportional to the scores around about. Its not necessarily about more points for the big hitters.... unless they've clearly EARNED it. I believe in being awarded for work that is clearly well done too I think most people believe that

A/ you made your choices for the categories you participate in. B/ If its unpopular hardware, why should it be heavily awarded? C/ Cater to new hardware? What company gives a shit about s478? s462? What OC competition will feature that hardware to attract attention? Upcoming 28nm parts must make you twitch with anger! Points clearly aren't motivating you... else you'd be benching popular hardware categories, right? If its not your motivation, why do you care so much about how they are rewarded? Unpopular categories would be excluded from my idea because there probably wouldnt be enough info/ enough submissions to guage good scores from bad.

maybe I mis-read the tone of your post, but it comes across as excessively aggressive..... You missed my point. In a lot of cases, I think it will benefit the guy in 2nd, 3rd place as much... or more... than the guy in 1st place. Popular category: gold is 50 points, silver is 40, bronze is 33. It doesn't take into account the difference in scores. Maybe someone takes gold by 1 point..... is that worth 10 points? IMHO.... nope. Actually.... Its about the guy in 2nd place more than the guy in 1st..... Most categories have a fairly tight grouping of scores.... maybe could be classed as making the guy in 2nd place feel less bad? Hell... awarding points and cups is stroking egos. Awarding popular categories more than categories with 20 submissions is stroking ego. World record points... stroking ego. May as well make the ego-stroke proportional to the lead/ deficit

Well... the rankings with only a few results could stick with the current layout for points. Am I right in saying that with the current algorithm, there are break-points for how many points a leaderboard gets? The revision for points could/should(?) apply only to the more popular categories. 980x with older hardware.... same as with any new hardware- the early adopters get an early advantage in the leaderboards, as the use of the new top-end chip increases, more scores are submitted, the leaderboard evens out. Popular hardware categories (mainly GPU) will always get scores submitted to them when new CPUs are released because people like the competition..... and the points. Sadly I agree on the downclocking, but to quote: Thats the way its always been- IMHO your point is mute..... at some point people hit their max and theres still a score *just* beyond their reach.... but the next score improvement might be 5 places higher if they max out in the "wrong" place.

I had half an idea last night What do you guys think about: Award points for a score based on how much of a lead it has over the score it beats. At the moment, the exponential points difference at the top of popular leaderboards IMHO, is skewed. There could be 1 point in score difference and there will be 10 points difference. It might encourage people to stop playing backup games and stop sandbagging generally. It would encourage people to push harder, knowing that big leads get more points. At the moment, if someone can get a certain ranking and not pass the score ahead... they usually stop. It encourages a wee bit of laziness sometimes..... if there was more points (even just... 0.1, 0.2...) for squeezing all they can out of the hardware, despite the ranking not changing... it would make them a more motivated and dare I say it... better... bencher. It should also encourage people to use their MHz as efficiently as possible For scores like SPi where many scores are the same...... instead of ranking by submission date, could it be coded to interrogate the CPU MHz box and rank score by lowest MHz? It could be the start of ranking scores by efficiency, which would be nice. I do appreciate HWB will then have to deal with a bunch of guys downclocking for the screeny....... Grrrrrr Alternative is to give all the same scores the same joint ranking..... Have...e.g.... 5 guys at 7.00s flat... there is a 5-way tie at rank 178th or...whatever

Ticket ID: 984 Priority: Low There are categories for the 6600 and 7800GT Dual cards.... please can we have this one too?

Awesome pic of 00-Massman getting off the plane Nice pics bro!

I was using one with Sergio in Valencia... not for a LONG time... but a bit. I struggled to get on top of how fast it responds to LN2... sooooo fast. I was clicking more with the Otti pot. Thats my problem though, not a problem with the design.

You just admitted that to the whole OC community

....you were gone??

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SM3 score of 8700 @ 850/ 1150 Deep Freeze in particular likes GDDR clocks. Here are my score breakdowns from my 9800GTX, GTX+ and GTS250 runs: At similar clocks, my SM3 score is much lower than yours, or, to equal it, I need another 100MHz on both the core and RAM. For these cards, if all tests run correctly, SM2 should be~8% higher than SM3 Do you have a Futuremark .3rd file you can upload for your score?

Have you disabled Post-Processing?

Hey. No problems at all, but we didn't really test above ambient.

Hey bro Only just saw all your scores for the GTX Congrats! Some nice work and great GDDR clocks.

At a group session, how can you tell the two apart? I disagree with your idea Sam, sorry. It would open the doors to hardware sharing and all it would take is a background switch between runs and its "all ok" Whichever team has golden hardware XYZ and can get 10 guys in the same place at once will get an unfair advantage

It would help the RMA process I think It would help stop the scummy people who troll the RMA process. "Dead board-> Buy another-> "this board is DOA"-> send 1st board back No-one here does that, right?

I'm sure that a one-write IC/EEPROM etc can be added in for minimal cost. Write serial number to chip, write process blows internal fuses, no re-write can occur. Chip can be read or GPU-Z etc purposes, cannot be re-flashed like the BIOS can to make one card look like many OR: re-write process kills card.

No way bro.... it's not your fault any of this happens. Get as much fun as you want out of your hobby. Let the BS take care of itself My own emotion.... disappointment.

Yes, you are

OMG almost 3 days for 1M. Thats truely hardcore. How did people USE these old computers? DAMN

Why do hardware rankings drop and then rise back up? I've had 2 golds move to silver... then go back to gold. I've wondered if scores submitted in the 2x GPU category... "pass through?" the 1x category?

How come we're only seeing these ES now? Great work bro!

Maybe speaking slightly out of turn about Vinces pots..... it would be nice IFFFFF a European pot-maker did some kind of deal/agreement with him about "licensed" pots, using Vinces schematics. Copper is cheaper in Europe, theres no customs charges to worry about and shipping would cost less. BUT.... thats a topic for another thread... or behind closed doors entirely. Always nice to see a stack of pots Ryba Nice one! I like the look of the Fat GPU container..... wish my board had space for it