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Is it really a window'd bench that takes 10-15 seconds to run, or is it just the hardware I happened to try it on? If so....what's the point of it? What does it show? It generates in the region of 1000 two-point golds.....

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Load temps ~71c at 45% max fan speed. MHz ~1900MHz core.....which is the first time i've ever typed a number like that for a GPU! Urgh! Phrasing!

No, really... "I won't be OCing it. This is for a gaming machine."

Found nothing online, so maybe this will help an undecided buyer. Not sure why it's called Turbo... MHz are all standard. PCB is a couple CM longer than an ATX board. Looks: subjective. I realllllly like the minimalist, slightly industial look. I won't be OCing it. This is for a gaming machine. The world is about to lose me to Mankind Divided for the weekend Will update with a subjective fan noise comment at some point, as well as temps

I'm ok with it because it's effortlessly easy. Not *all* CPU benches are split either, so there is still some "old-school" approach too. "BUT" ... the CPU divisions have essentially done away with "global." There is class and there is WR....which can be interpreted as global. To re-iterate a point, though... i'm sometimes surprised that people aren't mad about mental Xeon setups taking most of the WR points.... are people ok with it because they already have a path to avoid going up against them? There's an idea (probably obvious) ... whatever is decided....trial run in just a couple of benchmarks?

@Rauf and @miculty have both made a similar point about CPU divisions that I basically hadn't thought of and their point ties in to something 'zoid said....so yea, there are definitely holes in my logic Glossing over the sarcasm (which obviously I have to accept, seeing as I dish it out as well) ...this is 100% true! I do sometimes about about "which came first" but the end result is undeniable.... lower-end stuff gets benched in volume and brings out the competitive side in participants. "But" it's points that generated a disproportionate % of it. Globally, yes... it should. That's been the situation since global leaderboards were started. I'm not going to pick this comment apart, you didn't mean for it to be interpreted like this? Which definition of "beat?" All the points, none of the pricetag? WR points and global points aren't the same. WR points are basically a workaround to compensate for how few benchers run 4-way GPUs. All the time, effort, binning*, skillset and, yes, cost... for a 2-point hardware gold. WR points rewarded the best score in the benchmark, the only limitation being "follow the rules." *There was a time, I don't know if it still happens, where a CPU might not work properly with 4-way GPU connected. Look again at a benchmark leaderboard.... the best scores for a benchmark with X number of cards. That is the condition. There is no space for a mid-range card in there. Globals MUST be defended if benching is to be taken seriously. I'm VERY ok with adding GPU classes but to try to undermine the high-end, regardless of how much it costs... is a total nonsense. I would like to see more rules added for a users global ranking. At the moment, I believe its psosible to be league No.1 without any high-end scores, without any GPU contribution. OR....at least have some way of filtering the rankings for 2D masters and 3D masters. (both in league, globally and for Hardware Masters)

Since the forum update, I get notifications when i'm quoted, thread tags, mentions, blah blah. I also get an email for every one. I can't see an option to not get an email. Is there one? Un-necessary server work.... especially when Outlook seems to think they all belong in junk Is it possible to be not notified on HWBot when i'm quoted? I have notifications all the time.

Problem is still affecting me

Oh hell no! I didn't mean BOTH!

The separation of CPUs and GPUs isn't the same. Apples: donkeys. For some CPU sub-classifications, there is only one option for a good "global" score, so it's a second set of hardware points for the CPU There *are* still all-out WR points for CPU benches, though? I'm surprised more people don't complain about them going to 4P/8P systems I know why some people have suggested separating by ROPs (etc) but for anyone to care outside of benching (or understand,) there needs to be an education first. Even the CPU count can confuse people.... and it's the simplest thing to divide classes by Yea, it's a Dual-core CPU (world record,) but Hyper-Threading is allowed. What's Hyper-Threading? It's like another core for each physical core in the CPU, but it's done in logic. I don't understand that, but you mean it's a 4-core CPU? In some senses, yea. But it's in a dual-core ranking? Yup. If only nVidia and AMD put more emphasis on PCI-E bandwidth! The x1/x4/x8 could be a good divider! If only....

None of "these" global scores will matter in 6 months and assorted vendors will be trying to convince us to spend more money on new incremental performance...and that won't matter in a further 6 months either. Once points don't matter to you, it's like transcendence All that exists is/are rankings and silverware vs the means to get them. Cheap GPUs don't "do" global unless it's a CPU-bound benchmark... what you're asking for doesn't exist (Most of my last post wasn't aimed at you ,BTW. Completely generic set of comments, you just happened to be quoted)

But if there's no problem, nothing needs changed. What do people want? Serious question. A perceived path to the top without spending much money? The folk with pockets will bin more cards or solder more e-Powers to them. There will still be a tiering system. Completely opposite approach: Accept that something is too expensive. Don't buy it. Stay within financial means. Find a new way to have fun. I'm not mad that I can't compete in F1, or go up against NBA teams. Splitting cards up unofficially by high-end/mid-range/low-end sounds great to me, but trying to spin a leaderboard so that a Ford can beat a Maserati and make the Ford owner feel better about their bank account is NOT going to work. The $1M supercar is still a bigger deal in a GLOBAL leaderboard. Global. Without conditions! We're lucky that it's split by number of GPUs and that X2 cards are classed as two cards.

I'm still checking old CPU pricing, but a lot of this is inaccurate. Asus didn't start anything with Mars (came first) nVidia launched a 6800 Ultra 512MB for... IIRC, almost £600 back in the day, followed by a 7800GTX 512MB at equally silly money (for the time) A good £250 premium just for extra GDDR. ATI had the XT PE- a bump of a few MHz in clockspeed with a big price hike. The 5870 was a top-end GPU for ~6 months because nVidia made a total mess of Fermi-4. Demand FAR outstripped supply and retailers gouged the prices. As I said previously, the demographic was spoiled rotten that standard, new-launch top-end GPUs stayed at £400 for so long.

8 Pages in. Time for a rationalisation. What are we discussing, what's the problem?

You are thinking too literally. It was an example. As your idea stands, 780Ti will have to compete against... I don't know... GTX2080, 3080, Fury8X If you are putting forward an idea like this, you have to spin the idea out years into the future

I've wanted to say that in my last few posts. People want more global points but don't like the cost. If the only deciding factor is launch price, then a card has it's one time as a global player, then is only useful for hardware points. Which is pretty much how it is now. Adding more sub-global DOES give more cards a chance to shine and gives more cards popularity, which will help their hardware points when they're globally useless. BUT more cards could be worth more for longer! Using the same classification criteria! Why is that being ignored? People still game using (example) GTX680 because they are still saving for GTX1060 or whatever comes next. They would still be told that what they have is only good for hardware points. ....and that isn't how real-life PC hardware is used. I'm not saying the idea is bad, i'm saying that it can do more than the original suggestion

If long term doesn't matter then why is this conversation happening in the first place? Card A is released at price X. The second it is replaced at the same price point, it becomes just as uncompetitive to global as the current situation. Using price as a defining factor, there is the option here of making hardware stay competitive for much longer and allowing users to get FAR better value for money if they hold onto their hardware for a few years.

I don't think works long-term. No matter how obsolete the e.g... 780Ti gets, it will always be ranked against the latest top-end, but it would compare well against the mid-range of the next gen. I am still not reading posts properly, clearly. Fan noise + music + forums.... bad mix.

Standard top-end cards were £400 for several years. Longer than I expected them to be. From 6800 series to Fermi 5! Calling a £375 card a poor price for global is wrong, IMO. I would be so happy if prices went back to that. nVidia and AMD pricing is at least global. After that, it becomes a regional lottery (in before Ronaldo complains about S.A. availability and prices)

Sorry, I missed the first bit of your post I skimmed it too fast. Would the classifications drop as the official price drops? do the HWB servers have the power to re-class some/most/cards when that happens without the server being on its arse for two days? What about EOL cards? With enough CPU power, GTX580 can probably still rank alright globally in 3D01/ AM3. (if this is going to work, ALL possible situations must have an answer in place)

What about adding more search tabs alongside "region" for "AMD" "nVidia?" The globals can be separated by user interest.... ie... the user has to be interested in the search to do it and see the results Midrange card + expensive CPU is still a problem if the problem is cost. What if threshold is $750 and somewhere is selling card X for $745? (etc etc etc) What about special offers that are in region A and not region B?

I do like this, for exact the reason you gave, but I see it as a separation without the existing leaderboard. It is GLOBAL because it is just that Silly expensive stuff still wins, but maybe more limelight for the midrange... the stuff that actually sells in volume

Still an issue Could I have outdated plugins or something? My flash is up to date...

A good BIOS has a setting to disable that May risk permanent damage to CPU, though...