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It was actually Splaves submission that reminded me of it. But as I pointed out: My intention is just to get feedback. If you guys all want to keep it - totally fine to me. Just want to get some opinions

There is an elephant in the room we definitely have to talk about. For multiple generations the single card category has been scoring more points than multi card stages. As usual there are two different views on this. Some people ask me to remove globals, others want to keep it. Especially in 3DM2001 it's a bit on the edge because I know some people disable SLI for subtests to achieve higher results than with SLI. My personal view on things like this is usually: If we can't detect it, we don't ban it. What do you guys think about it? Remove or keep?

Very Strong!

Very nice work my friend :)

Albrecht and me decided on a time but you will not know about the exact hour and minute. It's to fight sandbagging and reward those who post strong results early

was it used for LN2 before?

Very nice work there! Thanks a lot for providing the scope video :)

I would take it if it's still available

Could be a simple communication issue here because I was also in the full loop and indeed we did not get the information that you are supposed to be a participant. We will check with Corsair. Also for your notice we don't do "24/7 customer support" on Facebook. I don't know what you are expecting.

Just to confirm: all EU kits were shipped yesterday and today. I will have tracking IDs on monday. Also to prevent any DOA I "XMP-tested" all kits before shipping. They were shipped by my guys at Thermal Grizzly and randomized this way. Hope everyone will have a good time with the competition

Great work :)

We will address the multi GPU "issue" at a certain point but right now we first have to adjust the point system itself to make the website faster and also easier to understand. Plus there should be higher rewards in general like back in the days. I think we can all agree on the fact that SLI/NVLink is pretty much dead in general and we also don't want to emphasize categories which are mainly ruled by "more money". We are already in a business where money buys points to a certain degree if you can bin more stuff. So if we can make benching cheaper or at least less expensive it should be better. But as I already said this has to be adjusted/decided later. Feel free to post ideas on this.

Good old DDR4 haha

That was my point before but I'm glad at least you saw this. If we would follow Intel marketing we would just list it as a 16c CPU. It would be very easy and no headache. But I also already know what 13900K and 14900K will probably look like and same goes for the coming AMD parts. It's much easier for us to start this way. If we notice we were wrong in the next 1-2 generations - just delete the category. That is pretty simple (even tho we would also get hate for that :D) but if we figure out we should've done this decision 2 generations ago, we can't travel back in time. Right now everybody starts the same and we will see how things change in the future.

Happy I could make you laugh ❤️

During FX, Intel Lakefield and everything else you mentioned it was a different Administration. So comparing the current situation and the past is a bit wrong. The latest rumors state that AMD will bring Big-Little with Zen 5. This could be in maybe 1,5 years from now. Not too far away. It's also very tiring to read the same conspiracy stuff over and over again. I can just repeat that we talked with Intel about this and even Intel said they are fine if we just list this as a 16c. Let's just see how things evolve and how you guys are working with it once it's actually on the market. Deleting a category afterwards is just one click, but if you don't even try you will never know if it was a good idea or a bad idea. As Allen already said there is a lot more what we would like to do, but there are still months of work ahead to be even able to think about it. Like the ranking changes Rauf proposed and so on.

Let's just talk during the next days/weeks to get back on what we planed Just too much stuff going on and too much other things we had to fix on here first

From HWBot perspective I'm fine with either way, but I think we are at a point where things are already so complex that we're shooting ourselves in the foot on a daily basis. We have so many different plattforms and benchmarks that it's simply not possible to have one unique way of validation. I'm also not a friend of changing things retrospectively. For example we could start "BM only" from Alder Lake and also ban WinXP with Alder Lake but not change older generations. Yes, yes some will hate me when I talk about ban for the good old WinXP. However I'm with CENS, that things are very complex for new people and if they see that a 20 year old OS is required which might be older than themselves - could talk about how we handle this in future. But again - I'm very open for changes as long as the majority of the community shares the view (same goes for the WinXP example).

Welcome to 2021 where core is not core anymore or why do you think I started this discussion? Thanks for your useless input

I guess eventually it might make more sense to split globals in few categories such as Mobile, Desktop, High End Desktop and Server similar to what Rauf already suggested. I'm very open to such solutions but as I already pointed out we will need quite a lot of time to make this happen. Regarding AMD FX I have no problem changing this to 4 Cores if this makes the community happy. Probably won't change anything tho?

Yea I would like to avoid drastic changes like that. So right now I think we will go for the dual listing. If we figure out after one or two generations that it was a bad idea we can still remove one of the two listings. That will be easier than changing the entire bot.

Unless there will be a new single core CPU this won't change but I don't see how this is part of this discussion. Same as we don't see quad GPU stuff anymore these days. Tech changes and now it's changing to something new and we have to think about how to work with it. You might only be worried about how it is unfair for previous generations but we also have to make sure that HWBot stays interesting in the future. Intel showed during the architecture day that Ultra Mobile will have 2P Cores and 8E Cores. This would be in the 10 Core ranking against 10900K.

While discussing things internally we also had the idea at some point to add "mixed" categories. So instead of adding this kind of CPU to the normal 16C ranking we could also create "16C Mixed". However we would still see different types of CPUs in the mixed rankings. For example "12C Mixed" could contain 8+4 desktop CPUs and at the same time 4+8 mobile CPUs. To me it felt like this cause more problems than it would solve. Opinions on this?

I like the idea from a global points perspective. Realistically speaking I don't see how we could implement this within 2021. There are still too many bugs we have to clean up but at a certain point we want to change the global points anyway so we can talk about that again early next year.

Technically possible. Things to consider with "xC Mixed" ranking would be: - the native 8C, 12C, 16C... rankings might not change anymore as future CPUs might always feature mixed cores. In the end similar to 1C or 2C rankings which are pretty much dead after certain years. - We might see strange CPU combinations in one ranking. E.g. 8+8, 4+12, 12+4 which could result in big performance gaps