Massman

It's not allowed to participate in a category with lower amount of stock scores. This used to be a part of the design of the active cores, but seems to be buggy. Dual cores will compete in the 2xCPU category, unlocking to more cores is allowed, but go in the upper category. We don't need Gulftown to rule in 1/2/3/4/5/6xCPU.

Well, we have to start somewhere. At the moment we're just at the first step of the data processing part of this site ... there's still many steps to be taken, but for a lot of them there's a process involved to get there.

Thanks.

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When to Leeghoofd's place for more testing today. CPU is not that shabby for only -116°C before coldbug ... only Vantage is kind of disappointing at 5.45G max. Now I'm done with this CPU until a different board comes along to check whether the CPU has issues or the mainboard has. Thanks to LEEGHOOFD for the nice benching day. No M&M today, however ... I was a bit confused. Also thank to TONES.BE for the awesome support.

Okay. Just ordered a Clarkdale and check for myself. TO ALL COMPETITORS: Please run your tests using normal drivers / normal FPS as well. If there's indeed a major screen corruption going on, the driver/scores will probably get removed. I'll try to get it sorted before the weekend!

What bios and what afterburner version?

Yeap, this will be the bug thread

fixed

How's the benchmark itself?

I can't see the loading screen properly when I use LOD with ATI in 06 - same thing?

LOD is generally accepted, why should it be disallowed in this case?

Hardly. I think there were 5 overtakings in total.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=247273

For some reason the box "disable for rankings" was checked which caused your score not to receive a ranking (and points). This is fixed now.

Apparently to aggressive over the curb stones ... t t t. Vettel must be so pissed right now.

Anyone else watching the Bahrein GP?

It's all about the driver, right? ;-)

You expect that in one and a half months people to catch up with several months of ES binning? We are talking €1000 CPUs here.

I'm reluctant to have a poll that is biased from the beginning.

At first sight, that does indeed seem true: ES looks to outwin retail each and every time. But, I think we need to make a couple of sidenotes to this story. First and for all, most of the people who have an ES way beyond the realms of retail overclockability have this kind of sources that allows CPU bining at a very large scale. Having access to a lot of samples allows a person to gather data on overclockability and pre-select certain steppings or batch codes. If, by luck, this person finds what most of us would call "the golden stepping", it's possible to gather a lot of samples of this one batch and start the binning process. It's a fact that the 7GHz samples are not 'lucky samples' but the outcome of the search for a highly overclockable sample. That being said, it remains the question whether this kind of binning on retail samples can also bring the same quality of silicon or not. At the moment, I can see **DP**, Mortisboy and the Japanese who seem to have found a good retail chip and the Japanese have already showed on the forums that they have binned quite a lot of chips. As for **DP**, I think he has about three of the same batch and for Mortisboy I don't know. Another thing that affects the perception of ES versus retail difference is that the speed binning doesn't happen at the day of the release, but months before any retail sample is available. From that point of view it actually makes sense that the ES samples come forward as strong as they are: when you start binning months before the release, there are no retail samples available yet. Another thing to remember is: those who have an ES sample at their disposal which clocks relatively alright might not test any retail samples to check if there's a similar clocking product. Or they might give up after two/three bad samples. You see ... if you have a good clocking chip that serves your needs ... do you need to waste LN2 on a sample that might not be as good? And if you do, would you go for an unknown retail stepping or an ES stepping that is known to be quite good? Again, I'm not trying to defend the ES people here and I fully understand your point of view. I just can't help but wonder if this ES versus retail discussion is founded on a true silicon quality difference or the perception that there is due to reasons like I've mentioned above. As for the retail Gulftowns, I have my doubts whether the superiority of the A0 silicon will last long. As far as I can see from my (be it ES as well) B1 chip, I'm kind of leaning to the side that says B1 will do fine. As long as you're lucky enough to find a coldbugfree B1, I think it should be possible to come close to the A0 revision chips. I don't know for sure, of course, but the first signs seem to be pointing in that direction.

. I know what you are trying to say and I'm not trying to contest that ES currently correlate with higher ranks in HWBOT. All I'm trying to show is that it's not like you absolutely need an ES to get somewhere in the top-10, but that it's also possible with a good retail. I don't really have a view on the amount of ES samples that have been binned by those who are on top and how many retails have been binned.

When you say "top ten results", what do you mean specificly? I tend to agree when you say that at the moment the ES seem to be leading to better scores, but (as you already said as well) there are also a whole lot of bad ES samples. In most cases, it's about having the right combination. That being said, I had a peek at es/retail rankings: SuperPI 1M: 8th - http://hwbot.org/community/submission/958876_ SuperPI 32M: 11th - http://hwbot.org/community/submission/902706_ (note: because of Gulftown) Wprime 32M (2x): 5th - http://hwbot.org/community/submission/972910_ Wprime 32M (4x): 1st - http://hwbot.org/community/submission/935049_ Wprime 1024M (2x): 5th - http://hwbot.org/community/submission/972911_ Wprime 1024M (4x): 1st - http://hwbot.org/community/submission/935045_ Doesn't look thát bad? Most of the top 3D scores are with retail cards as well. A lot of binning is needed however.

You do notice that I'm using crap mem/unc right?

According to Gautam Vista is OK! http://www.overclockers.com/windows-showdown-8-operating-systems-6-benchmarks/