Massman

There's birthday cake in the office, but no Xyala

Fixed it (just in case you'd want to know)

For HWBOT Prime on mobile, you'll need to submit via the app. Fixed

Can't believe they share a birthday! :celebration: :celebration:

Solid monitor too

Just starting the thread so folks know what the target is for 80486 1M

How can we be this generous?! Fixed.

Very nice Ikki! Nice scores lately

I feel like we're having two discussions in this thread. 1) On the principles of overclocking: "should points matter?" 2) On the practical matter: newbies at HWBOT are often discourage because the only way to get to the top is with LN2 -> what's a solution. I sense this idea is not good enough, and that there's better things to spend our time on. Thanks for the feedback, though!

Just trying this out. Christian, please don't hate me

Let me bounce this back: is it fine to have the points make people feel worse about what they do? If someone puts in hours of work to fine-tune their system on air cooling, end up first in their class, and only receive 5.8pts. Then see someone randomly running LN2 and receive 20-odd points, just because the frequency is much higher. Is that good for you? Your argument of "points shouldn't matter" goes both ways. If they don't matter in your opinion, then you should have no problem accepting additional points for air submissions. It's not mutually exclusive with teaching new overclockers that overclocking is more than just the points.

Wow, that's a nickname I haven't seen in a long time. Nice to see you around, Scunny

Okay, I've updated the motherboard to HM86. You should now be able to submit the score to the competition

K404, Rasparthe: it's partially about psychology, but mainly about rewarding overclocking ability fairly. In the slides included in the opening post, you'll find the problem description. The question is: "Is it really more difficult to reach top-20 with LN2 than it is to reach #1 amongst Enthusiasts?" In the current system, the highest reward goes to people who run their hardware using liquid nitrogen. Although part of our mission is to foster and grow the extreme overclocking community, the reality states that not everyone is interested in trying out liquid nitrogen. In fact, the large majority will never go beyond custom water cooling builds. Effectively, that means a person who chooses to never use subzero cooling can only earn a fraction of the points of someone who tries liquid nitrogen. Look at SuperPI 32M: #1 enthusiast has 5.8pts; #20 on LN2 has 35.8pts. Evaluating your proposal, Rasparthe, I have the sense that we are somewhat on the same page. Your suggestion looks good on paper, but as you mention the arbitrary nature of the "global points multiplier (GPM)" is a problem. That's what's avoided by what I proposed in the opening post. The "multiplier" is establish by taken into consideration how many participants there are within a certain class. In your proposal you run the risk of having an improperly configured GPM that favors a specific class. I can imagine this would've been the case in Sandy Bridge era when ambient cooling systems were competing at the top of the global rankings. This is not a problem with the proposal from the first post for the simple reason that the increase in global points is directly related to the amount of participants, and the amount of participants of a specific class will always be lower or equal to (but not higher) than the amount of overall participants. Not sure, but I think we actually agree on the principle. Thanks for the feedback though, Tony. For some reason I always enjoy reading your contributions here. You're always to the point! Aleslammer, it's funny how quickly advertisers and monetization is brought up. Is it that hard to believe this has nothing to do with business? haha It is true that this would favor the more recent hardware. But fact of the matter is that the overwhelming majority of new overclockers enter this world with the latest generation of hardware. If we want to help them get hooked on overclocking, that's the tools we have to work with. It's not that we're trying to cater to advertisers or industry, it's that we're trying to find a way to talk to aspiring new members of the community.

Is Haswell HM86 or HM87 (or both) ?

Fixed the limitation

Maybe Genieben knows what's going on

Yours has a chipset called "haswell" and the other submission has one "hm86". Can't find any information on the Durian 7A1 motherboard though ... is it HM86?

Not just the GSKILL kit, it's across the (DDR4) board. Looks like supply is ramping up right in time for Skylake! :celebration:

Should be working again!

Hm, trying to locate the issue

Still an issue ?

We all know Obama is MSI_MAX

Nice!

Ok, you are right. Checking with MSI to replace the benchmark