chew* Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 (edited) I been posting in thread and elsewhere. Set a global AMD fastest how is that not incentive. I no longer post scores on bot rankings. I would rather be a solution not part of the problem. Edited July 21, 2017 by chew* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.nfraR.ed Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 (edited) Here's mine. Got a lot faster runs yesterday (maybe in line with what chew* posted, although at much higher mem speed), but didn't finish due to some low voltages I was experimenting with and I had no software installed to change them runtime in OS. Was easily 2-3 seconds faster than this (1st loop - low 23s, 2nd - mid 43s, 3rd 1m 03s, etc). Will keep trying when I have time, but still can't figure out all the odd things. Edited July 21, 2017 by I.nfraR.ed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flanker Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 you are at C6H, right? What happen with +1 MHz BCLK? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chew* Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 (edited) you are at C6H, right? What happen with +1 MHz BCLK? He goes over 4003. Which is why he is set there. Its sub 4003. Which is why my 32g DR run is irrelevant. May want to load ktk17 up in there infra if you go cold. I could not boot 5.0-5.1 and "other" software no worka due to OS tuning. Just figured give you a heads up. Its limited to 50x btw. Edited July 22, 2017 by chew* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest k.pisti Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 Guys, may I ask why you're running 8/16 and no 2/2 or 4/4 maybe? No gain? I'm on Intel, but I get better scores with 2/2 than 4/8 even if I have only 1 core allocated. Cheers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeepBeep2 Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 you are at C6H, right? What happen with +1 MHz BCLK? Multi reads 29.4 (?) 29.5 = right at 4G (?) Guys, may I ask why you're running 8/16 and no 2/2 or 4/4 maybe? No gain? I'm on Intel, but I get better scores with 2/2 than 4/8 even if I have only 1 core allocated. Cheers. I tried SMT off but didn't find much of a difference, not sure what the others have found regarding cores disabled. I found it may help a little to move most other processes to another CCX but no evidence to back that up yet. Have yet to break 7m49s here, but haven't had time to test B-die or any OS tweaks thoroughly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chew* Posted July 26, 2017 Share Posted July 26, 2017 (edited) Guys, may I ask why you're running 8/16 and no 2/2 or 4/4 maybe? No gain? I'm on Intel, but I get better scores with 2/2 than 4/8 even if I have only 1 core allocated. Cheers. cause drama with bclk and if you need it....your out of luck on air much less cold. FIXED Have yet to break 8m49s here, but haven't had time to test B-die or any OS tweaks thoroughly. I'm easiliy in 8-2x range with Corsair DR Hynix @ 2666.... b-die is not the reason I am sub 8:40s. B-die is the reason I am sub 8-20's I was fooling around on C6H yesterday on new agesa with 64gb DR Was 24/7 settings 2T CR legit 24/7 to make it stable settings.......on a 1400 which I have proven to be slowest chip possible in 32m..... 4x16gb DR 64GB-------------DR Hynix 2x8gb Edited July 26, 2017 by chew* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chew* Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 I will hang out a second behind Zen just for ships and giggles..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeepBeep2 Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 (edited) I'm easiliy in 8-2x range with Corsair DR Hynix @ 2666.... b-die is not the reason I am sub 8:40s. B-die is the reason I am sub 8-20's I was fooling around on C6H yesterday on new agesa with 64gb DR Was 24/7 settings 2T CR legit 24/7 to make it stable settings.......on a 1400 which I have proven to be slowest chip possible in 32m..... 4x16gb DR 64GB-------------DR Hynix 2x8gb Either there are tweaks I am missing or I am crazy, but I don't think I'm getting below 8:4x with those single rank Hynix at 2666 12-14-14 or 3200 14-16-16. My MFR won't do tighter, tried up to 1.8v. Some subtimings like tRC and tRFC I can't drop below ~52 and ~470 > DDR4-2933. Tested most other subs through loop 6 in 2 clk increments one at a time, could probably revisit. Your dual rank times at tighter timings would also be some amount faster, and it seems the Taichi is faster. Of course, I also haven't tried any tweaks, haven't had a lot of time to sit down with the system after the first 24 hrs straight of testing with Hynix. Edited August 3, 2017 by BeepBeep2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeneffect Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 Are you using a mechanical drive? I use a raptor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chew* Posted August 4, 2017 Share Posted August 4, 2017 (edited) Ill bench the asus with DR hynix which is way harder to OC much less get stable If only it was just as easy as dling mine and zens tweaked PI OS like the old days in xs hwbot team. section. Team is pretty much dead so that ship has sailed. Edited August 4, 2017 by chew* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeepBeep2 Posted August 4, 2017 Share Posted August 4, 2017 (edited) Are you using a mechanical drive? I use a raptor Started with Intel X25-V, moved to Samsung 830 128GB. X25-V write speed is too low and hurts times. No sort of waza / ramdisk / etc tweaks yet or OS customization. Need to put more time in, obviously Infrared found quite a bit of speed. Ill bench the asus with DR hynix which is way harder to OC much less get stable If only it was just as easy as dling mine and zens tweaked PI OS like the old days in xs hwbot team. section. Team is pretty much dead so that ship has sailed. I'm sure it is harder, but this is also some **** tier $100 MFR. As far as the team and Pi OS, that's up to you two if you want to share. Yeah, the team is a bit dead, but we are the team. Edited August 4, 2017 by BeepBeep2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeneffect Posted August 4, 2017 Share Posted August 4, 2017 Started with Intel X25-V, moved to Samsung 830 128GB. X25-V write speed is too low and hurts times. No sort of waza / ramdisk / etc tweaks yet or OS customization. Need to put more time in, obviously Infrared found quite a bit of speed. I'm sure it is harder, but this is also some **** tier $100 MFR. As far as the team and Pi OS, that's up to you two if you want to share. Yeah, the team is a bit dead, but we are the team. It's not going to be shared. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeepBeep2 Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 (edited) It's not going to be shared. Cool, that's fine, don't really care. What I do wonder about is the fact that my own teammates brought this up in the first place just to be despotic. Do I care if the ship sailed, if I never knew about the ship in the first place? Has a nice "Lookie here, if only, btw sux 2 suk, get your own f*r" vibe. Good to know though. Will gladly work on my own, or not. Sometimes I feel like I have been through way too much over the past four years to put any bit of my empty soul into this. None of this is about winning for me anymore, it's about having fun. I will have fun without any of your OS "help" - I didn't ask for it anyway. Edited August 5, 2017 by BeepBeep2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newlife Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 It's not going to be shared. If you guys actually cared about amd 32m getting better you wouldn't be saying that Or maybe it's just that I spent the last 4 years helping others improve amd 32m but now we have zen and the openness of the past AMD is gone 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chew* Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 (edited) Im going to put this simple and as nice as possible which there is no nice way to really put it. To be an " pro overclocker" requires you to be able to tune software and hardware alike. Previous stuff and xp many used someone elses tuned OS. I used my own personal tuned/collaborated with another member Xp. I did not "copy". That said. Would you ask me to tune your system to so you could take credit for my work? If answer = no. Welcome to the first step towards pro overclocking. No one helped me improve but me btw. I have results that smoke everyone on older arch amd that were part of "reviews" and just show and tell or never even posted. Best help anyone ever told me. "Keep testing eventually you will figure it out than you will not need mine or anyones help." The irony of it all despite all of the above...is the OS is almost bone stock and unstripped so you guys are certainly make me chuckle The part that now your starting to piss me off is i have shared plenty. Less cache slower certain boards faster. So seriously do not give me crap about not helping. Hell i even posted a timing table from 24/7 settings that were fast. Want me to come bench it for you to? Edited August 5, 2017 by chew* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newlife Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 Oh so it's for credit because this ain't pro oc and nobody is going to get paid so all you're really doing is being unproductive and pushing newcomers away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeepBeep2 Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 (edited) Im going to put this simple and as nice as possible which there is no nice way to really put it. To be an " pro overclocker" requires you to be able to tune software and hardware alike. Previous stuff and xp many used someone elses tuned OS. I used my own personal tuned/collaborated with another member Xp. I did not "copy". That said. Would you ask me to tune your system to so you could take credit for my work? If answer = no. Welcome to the first step towards pro overclocking. No one helped me improve but me btw. I have results that smoke everyone on older arch amd that were part of "reviews" and just show and tell or never even posted. Best help anyone ever told me. "Keep testing eventually you will figure it out than you will not need mine or anyones help." The irony of it all despite all of the above...is the OS is almost bone stock and unstripped so you guys are certainly make me chuckle The part that now your starting to piss me off is i have shared plenty. Less cache slower certain boards faster. So seriously do not give me crap about not helping. Hell i even posted a timing table from 24/7 settings that were fast. Want me to come bench it for you to? Let me explain where I'm coming from. I don't care about being a pro overclocker. I don't care about being the best. For me to be informative of where I'm at in the "keep testing" process is only to be transparent, mostly because the scores I shared obviously sucked. By doing this, I was not automatically asking for a free lunch. That goes for this thread, and the one at XtremeSystems where I was criticized in the same manner for being excited that I had finally saved up enough money for Ryzen, 3 months after launch and right before the first LN2 I'd touched in years at a bench party I didn't schedule. To paraphrase, I mentioned "It'll be a headache, and I don't have much time, though I have been reading up on the platform...I'll still have fun, I am not worried about 32M performance, and the board I know is slower will go into my 24/7 rig afterwards". You replied "Extreme overclockers either work around issues or sit the bench. My 2c." Short and obvious, but fair enough, I wasn't going to say anything. The next reply in the thread was (paraphrase) "good luck with that, if you want our efficiency, do what we did, the efficiency isn't magic or dumb luck, its hard work." Why did these points need to be proved? Were I asking for them to be drilled that hard, right up my? Was my position unclear? I've used my own XP OS'es before, and in other times, used others. I never asked you for the handouts you don't want to give out, nor do I want to take credit for your work. It's just that if people DO want to share, we all say please, thank you, you're welcome and move on. If you don't want to share then don't mention it. Less cache slower, certain boards faster is common sense across all platforms. SR RAM is almost always slower than DR RAM, unless the SR is tuned faster and often it can be tuned faster. Been that way forever. Yeah, the DR Hynix is a pita but it's obvious your kit does better timings at any given frequency anyway, and will be more efficient (DR > SR) at the same, so what are you proving to me by pulling out the board and posting more results? I do appreciate the testing that you do, and have done, and what you do show to the community. You have posted Ryzen screenshots of what is capable in 24/7 setups and that does indeed help people. Keep on doing what you do, but when I say "I don't think I can go much faster" with a kit that max's 3200 14-16-16 @ 1.78v and loose AF secondaries, and that prompts you to "bench the asus with DR hynix which is way harder to OC much less get stable" it rubs me the wrong way man. No more. I'll just quit discussing in a place designed to discuss and put up results if I feel like it someday. Edited August 5, 2017 by BeepBeep2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chew* Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 (edited) Look i will give you a lesson in 32m pi analyze 101. Lets see 32bit xp No max mem Consistent loops but weak finish might have been a weak waza or none at all. Olive theme Hmm note strap 1/8 he used that might matter Bios version Ddr3 and amd that seems like a flare X will check what ic they are. High speed seems to trump latency 25x multi will have to check odds versus even. Total summary looks like there was more in it as it hardly looks like a max tuned run...i can beat this easy. Crazy run though...its 10 secs faster than the fastest llano @ 4.0 and it was not a tuned run based on evidence found in screenshot. Btw...that run one guess who did it...and years and years ago...so literally i just analyzed my own run as i would any run i see. Edited August 5, 2017 by chew* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chew* Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 Here i will analyze one that is not mine. Lets see. 32 bit w7 Max mem 1600ish Appeareance set to best performance ok so possibly used msconfig. Loop consistency 9-6-3-9-6-3 all the way down with a little falling apart...yep thats waza but initial was fast so weak waza. Looks like he used 2133 strap. Hmm bios version...that is the one that i confirmed got really slow after i compared vs the one i like and pre subtiming unlock. Timings hmm ok so equivalent to performance I noted with 12-11-11 on other boards so not very tight and trc 51 so yah he was running a bit loose. Ah galax 2000. ( bdie ic ) so his subs he has no access to were extremely loose in that bios version pre unlocked subs. Quite a few things just not right for PI run on Ryzen. I should be able to take this result out easily at sub 5000. Lesson here? Can learn alot from a screenshot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeepBeep2 Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 (edited) Sure, I already know how to run Pi in XP and many of the tweaks. Did you come up with maxmem and waza tweaks or someone else on the internet? I thought you never had help. Never had Llano. Deneb, #4 and #11. #11 on, guess what, a board that is 12 seconds slower than the other, with equal efficiency on the #4 run to the #3 and #2 runs, and better efficiency than #1. I haven't rebenched the #11 chip because its missing 20 pins, lost a lot of hardware that was stolen / broken. Fast run was done on a further slimmed readily available torrent OS with convenient installation, sure. I still put in hours upon hours testing maxmem and themes and different copy-waza sizes, OCX waza vs. manual, RAM timings, speeds, ratios, and other methods at the time when I had the time. I didn't just magically forget how the game goes, I didn't ask for your Win 7 that you non-offered. This is pointless, but yeah, nice Llano run. Congrats? It seems others here were / have been just as clueless until Infrared found speed. Good for him, maybe I'll do the same. Who cares. Edited August 5, 2017 by BeepBeep2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chew* Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 (edited) Did i come up with ocx tweaker no. Did i use it back then? No. Its a file copy. Create file in xx size copy to one place cut copy to another. I did a manual copy. So yah in that sense yes once again i went down my own path if you must know. Fwiw at a live competition there is no copy waza on your drive OS that is provided. So knowing how to do it yourself manually = better. The LLano run was crap fyi....it was a hey look pretesting llano looks fast and a competitor fo LCC here is a quick run...check it out. I can even link to the post from years ago. Edited August 5, 2017 by chew* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeneffect Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 well this thread turned into a b**ch fest real quick. Taking the attitude of "I don't have all the tweaks because I am new to this so I am discouraged to try" is just pathetic. If you want the same score or better, its a VERY simple solution, put in the hours, the work, and intelligently apply your efforts... 32M isn't rocket science. Good luck with 32m guys, I will no longer be posting or submitting scores. I honestly hope someone does better than I as I left a TON on the table with current score. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chew* Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 (edited) Oh so it's for credit because this ain't pro oc and nobody is going to get paid so all you're really doing is being unproductive and pushing newcomers away You see any of my scores posted on bot rankings? Newcomers do not have to compete against me on bot. Anyone expecting to beat pro lvl scores as a newcomer is naive. If they want to compete vs me unofficially on forums but using bot approved rules / legitimate runs that is a choice they make. I am not forcing anyone to do anything. I know AMD hardware can go faster and I showed it. I remember one reason why i retired now and now I know why unless paid no pro overclockers really bothers to bench AMD hardcore in anything that will not get them global points worth their time. Btw infra. Mad props for working through it and not giving me crap. There is still hope based on your approach. Edited August 5, 2017 by chew* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newlife Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 The problem here is the attitude nothing more and nothing less and while it's been great to what yous can do, yous really need to stop for a second and get off your high horse I'd like to know when I've asked for help? I've put many thousands of hours into benching AMD 32m without ever asking for help and always did what I could to encourage others to bench amd 32m and it's not like a saw a toxic attitude or anything and felt the need to say something that shouldn't have been said in the first place P. S. I don't expect people to give out all their tweaks but no need to be an ass about it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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