bolc Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 (edited) Hello, Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't XTU only compatible with the last 3 generations of Intel cpus ? That is : 6.4.x supports Coffee, Kaby and Skylake 6.3.x supports Kaby, Skylake and Broadwell 6.2.x supports Skylake, Broadwell and Haswell 6.1.x supports Broadwell, Haswell and Ivy Bridge 5.2.x supports Haswell, Ivy Bridge and Sandy Bridge? (older versions of XTU are not allowed for posting scores) Will the upcoming mandatory use of 6.4.1.12 (Upcoming Rule Changes on November 1, 2017) is also limit benching on cpus compatible with Z170/270/370 chipsets? If so, any prospects to make 6.4.x backward compatible with anything from Gen2 onwards? Cheers Edited October 16, 2017 by bolc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators websmile Posted October 16, 2017 Administrators Share Posted October 16, 2017 I tested 6.4.12 and it worked with M5G and 3770K, Luumi tested 3470 Ivy bridge and it worked as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolc Posted October 16, 2017 Author Share Posted October 16, 2017 (edited) I tested 6.4.12 and it worked with M5G and 3770K, Luumi tested 3470 Ivy bridge and it worked as well This is what I was getting yesterday on 6.4.1.12. The cpu was not recognised, and as could be expected, the bench would not start. 3570 on M5F. With 6.2.x and 6.3.x same issue. 5.2.x and 6.0.x ok, 6.1.x I suppose is ok, will try tonight. https://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=554362xtubug.png https://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=424283xtubug2.png You are both on Windows 10 ? PS: all drivers put for the board, IME / cpu. PS2: tried at stock or with a different bclk, same story Edited October 16, 2017 by bolc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators websmile Posted October 16, 2017 Administrators Share Posted October 16, 2017 I checked very fast, used a win10x64 made for 1151 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yosarianilives Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 Does it run in win 8.1 32bit? This has previously been ideal benching OS for XTU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolc Posted October 16, 2017 Author Share Posted October 16, 2017 (edited) I checked very fast, used a win10x64 made for 1151 Thanks for the screenshots. I bet users with Windows 7 (and perhaps windows 8.x) will have issues... latest ver 6.1.x not working on M5F + 3570 so far only latest 5.2.x and 6.0.x working on M5F + 3570 + Win7 Pro 64 bits Edited October 16, 2017 by bolc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolc Posted October 16, 2017 Author Share Posted October 16, 2017 (edited) Does the version of Intel Management Engine (IME) to do anything with XTU ? 11.0.5.1189 is installed Intel watchdog, what is that, is required ? Edited October 16, 2017 by bolc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators websmile Posted October 16, 2017 Administrators Share Posted October 16, 2017 Watchdog, yes, required, it comes with XTU (monitoring and recovery). MEI should also be OK when you install it with XTU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolc Posted October 16, 2017 Author Share Posted October 16, 2017 (edited) Watchdog, yes, required, it comes with XTU (monitoring and recovery). MEI should also be OK when you install it with XTU. watchdog says present but not present at boot https://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=554362xtubug.png for IME, when I install XTU, the IME driver version does not change. I installed manually ver 9.x, it stayed the same. I went to 11.05, stayed there I also get this driver signature message at the end of XTU installation ME firmware revision is 8.1.x in the bios, I had updated it Edited October 16, 2017 by bolc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phobosq Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 dude, no offense, but why do you insist on using win 7 so hard? It's already out of standard support by MS, so no surprise that vendors (Intel/AMD) and software developers keep focusing on newer OSes, 8.1 and above, and this seems to be the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crew Leeghoofd Posted October 16, 2017 Crew Share Posted October 16, 2017 (edited) K I crosschecked fresh install windows 8.1 (latest MSDN version) 32 and 64bit 2600K on MVE 32bit: 813 64bit: 806 3570K on MVE 32bit: 813 64bit: 809 4790K on OCF 32bit: 1112 64bit: 1110 Uploaded the 2600K via the bot, works fine :nana: Edited October 16, 2017 by Leeghoofd 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yosarianilives Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 dude, no offense, but why do you insist on using win 7 so hard? It's already out of standard support by MS, so no surprise that vendors (Intel/AMD) and software developers keep focusing on newer OSes, 8.1 and above, and this seems to be the case. Because every other bench must be run in win 7 on this platform? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phobosq Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 I don't remember that Important! Windows 8/8.1/10 Allowed on Skylake + Clarification on Engineering Hardware was changed, which clearly states that 8/8.1/10 is allowed for XTU. We're talking XTU here, not all benches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolc Posted October 16, 2017 Author Share Posted October 16, 2017 (edited) Win7 support will end 2020. Xp is still used here as well as vista and 7. I tried win10 pro 32 and got worse scores on xtu than on w7. Plus i find the GUI ugly and the os is heavy. In companies everybody is on 7... The issue is to fibd out if the new newer xtu version will force to be on win10 or not... From what i see, sandy stops at xtu 5.2 x, ivy at 6.0.x when on win7 Edited October 16, 2017 by bolc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolc Posted October 16, 2017 Author Share Posted October 16, 2017 K I crosschecked fresh install windows 8.1 (latest MSDN version) 32 and 64bit 2600K on MVE 32bit: 813 64bit: 806 3570K on MVE 32bit: 813 64bit: 809 4790K on OCF 32bit: 1112 64bit: 1110 Uploaded the 2600K via the bot, works fine :nana: Thanks mate :-) Curious to see if i screwed up on win7 or if other users have the same issues... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ev0lv3 Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 With win7 you need KB3033929 update. It to fix the driver signing error. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolc Posted October 17, 2017 Author Share Posted October 17, 2017 I don't remember that Important! Windows 8/8.1/10 Allowed on Skylake + Clarification on Engineering Hardware was changed, which clearly states that 8/8.1/10 is allowed for XTU. We're talking XTU here, not all benches. Making a win10 install solely for xtu when most other benches are on win7.... Xtu 6.4.1.12 running on all cpu generations on windows 7 needs to be fixed, at least i will strive for that on my pc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 They won't fix it. Forward >to> W10 + XTU method is NOT to support old OS. In a way Intel & partners like m$ will try force your upgrade path sooner. Research " zeffy patch " for your Win7 fix. Let me know what you did if it works. _____________ Xtu 6.4.1.12 ... does this support nonK Skylake? If NOT ... selling them off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crew Leeghoofd Posted October 17, 2017 Crew Share Posted October 17, 2017 Making a win10 install solely for xtu when most other benches are on win7.... Welcome to 2016, where each benchmark almost needs a dedicated OS to get best performance... Try latest Win8.1 32bit mate, not sure if Win7 is always the way to go. In my book for XTU 8.1 is way more consistant in output. With 10 I always experience sudden drop in performance forcing me to reinstall to get the efficiency back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolc Posted October 17, 2017 Author Share Posted October 17, 2017 They won't fix it. Forward >to> W10 + XTU method is NOT to support old OS.In a way Intel & partners like m$ will try force your upgrade path sooner. Research " zeffy patch " for your Win7 fix. Let me know what you did if it works. _____________ Xtu 6.4.1.12 ... does this support nonK Skylake? If NOT ... selling them off XTU not recognizing the cpu all boils down to the digitally signed driver...!!! Pressing F8 at startup, you can disable it and install XTU. Now the cpu is recognizzed on thre latest version of windows. I need to do the digitally aigned driver permanently now ...! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ev0lv3 Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 With win7 you need KB3033929 update.It to fix the driver signing error. Try this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolc Posted October 17, 2017 Author Share Posted October 17, 2017 (edited) ok so I found one solution: Boot Windows 7 64bits into Test Mode and enforce unsigned iocbios2.sys to appear as signed / verified https://superuser.com/questions/1233615/how-to-force-windows-7-to-disable-driver-signature-enforcement the tool is available here Driver Signature Enforcement Overrider Download does the job nicely to enable the TEST mode, and to indicate which driver to digitally verify ! you can also manually do it with the bcdedit.exe command + manually press F8 at each boot... https://support.hidemyass.com/hc/en-us/articles/202723596-How-to-disable-Driver-Signing-check-on-Windows Making a W7 32 bits installation may also solve this... And W8.1 32 or W10 32 bits seem to work Edited October 17, 2017 by bolc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolc Posted October 17, 2017 Author Share Posted October 17, 2017 (edited) Question to the moderators: Am I allowed to bench on Win7 64 bits in TEST MODE (in the bottom right of the screen ,TEst Mode Windows 7 with the version is written) so the IOCBIOS2.SYS driver required for XTU 6.1.x, 6.2.x, 6.3.x and 6.4.x is digitally verified ?? Thank you Edited October 17, 2017 by bolc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators websmile Posted October 17, 2017 Administrators Share Posted October 17, 2017 Should be OK if the result is comparable, which it should be Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolc Posted October 17, 2017 Author Share Posted October 17, 2017 (edited) Should be OK if the result is comparable, which it should be Results are comparable, I benched quickly 3770k at 3.9 and obtained 810ish with basic ram 8-11-8-28-1T. And obtained around 930 (from the top of my head) at 4.5 with slighlty tightened ram timings The only thing Test Mode does is to allow digital drivers not signed by M$... https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/2509241/how-to-disable-the-test-mode-message-that-is-displayed-in-windows Edited October 17, 2017 by bolc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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