Crew Leeghoofd Posted November 5, 2023 Crew Share Posted November 5, 2023 As some of you noticed a lot of drama has been ongoing about certain team loosing a lot of points and some even dropping a few spots in the ranking. It seems some think this was a premeditated act to achieve the above and to mess around. I think we all have better things to do as a there is still a lot of work to do. Biggest issue was this was implemented without any checks of the moderation Team. The point/competition algorithms are for 90% based on a totally new code and this means a lot of old bugs of the original point system have been finally adressed. Sadly as with everything in the semi conductor world new code usually means a few new bugs will pop up and these will also need also to be fixed asap. So what happened over the last weeks and mainly the final weekend of October 2023. 1) When a user quits HWBOT and decides to delete his account, the subs were not deleted but remained active for the Team he was active in. These scores would carry the Team Name. Over 8000 of those subs have been removed We decided to remove all these subs as there is no trace of the existing user and this person decided to remove his account anyway. 2) A lot of benchmarks had no more support and were easily buggable, think of AIDA64, Realbench, the infamous software hacked PCMark05,... It was decided years ago to no longer give any points for these benchmarks but to keep the ranking intact. The individual boints were already removed a long time ago, but the teams still got Global and/or Hardware Team Power Points. 3) Number three might seem weird but Teams still received GTPP and HTPP points for a few removed benchmarks, this is something Tim discovered while going trough the code... I myself don't recall either but some benchmarks, of the pre Cinebench R15 era, were removed, but Team points were still in the points tables for these non-existing benchmarks. 4) The "Edit your score bug" has been resolved, but till a few weeks back editing your score always gave the maximum of points per benchmark. Also these were also not always picked up when recalculating the benchmarks. 5) The merging of "With BenchMate" with the original benchmarks still had several double point counts. Meaning a user would still could have points for the "with benchmate benchmark" and the original benchmark category, so Happy hour of Hwbot points. These scores have been merged now or nullified. Hopefully Tim caught them all... 6) Still ongoing are a lot of subs that need manually editing as either the CPU or GPU model are missing, these are in general pre-2009 submissions, but we still need to go through over 5500 of these manually Below is a comparison so one has an idea of how big the impact of the aforementioned actions is on some ideas. We are referring to removed points, not submissions Ofcourse loosing points is never a fun thing, people have invested time and money to get these subs in. But in all fairness many Team Power points were incorrectly added to the Team total and this for years and years.. It was high time to address all this so that in 2024 all point code is correctly functioning. More things on the list of Tim: - The old "you lost, gained" hardware points will be added again to the profile wall - Deleting Team subs will be added to the Team Captain role - More transparent display of point changes - ... 1 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Scott Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 Moral of the story......choose the benchmark you run wisely. Running every benchmark available at the time bit us in the ass. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crew Leeghoofd Posted November 5, 2023 Author Crew Share Posted November 5, 2023 I think the best suited moral is: if users would just run the benchmark and not mess things up with software tweaks or use bclocking to bug the scores, PCMark05, AIDA and co would still be ranked.... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TASOS Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 What was the result of the operation clean sweep , for the (lets say) top 10 teams ? Which team lost what kind of points and where ? xxx points from inactive benchmarks xxx points from deleted user accounts xxx points from duplicate results Is operation clean sweep terminated ? ... or are there any leftovers ? I didn't see any hwbot prime mention. All i want to know is , if the current rankings are correct. p.s. Will team captains gain access to any kind of control regarding future point issues ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GENiEBEN Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 Worst part is being unannounced, don’t even care about points because they will always change for better or worse, perhaps being more transparent wouldn’t have annoyed so many people. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crew Leeghoofd Posted November 5, 2023 Author Crew Share Posted November 5, 2023 Programmer beat me to it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spit051261 Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 (edited) Hope things get sorted but maybe not the best way to take on this sort of thing on without even notifying anyone and also not involving team captains. Can't really blame the coders , this had to be an executive decision ? Edited November 6, 2023 by spit051261 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crew Leeghoofd Posted November 6, 2023 Author Crew Share Posted November 6, 2023 Hard to make any announcement of what to expect. If we haven't seen it ourselves ? Why do you think I made this post: Keep on bringing them conspiracy theories... It's continuing to be very entertaining and motivating to read. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TASOS Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 I really wish there was a way to brake the language barrier and help you all (hwbot stuff and programmer included) to get introduced into the Greek traditional folk art. It would have been very beneficial to all of you. But ... i cant make that happen. So , just enjoy the visuals only. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spit051261 Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 Hit the nail on the head ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Splave Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 Does this involve the competition points issues Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crew Leeghoofd Posted November 7, 2023 Author Crew Share Posted November 7, 2023 One thing at a time Captain America 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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