Jmax Hardware Bench Party

[jmax_oc]

French guys are very nice but we are also sometimes 'narrow minded'. In fact it's impossible find any french guy who can accept that equality could be not respected. Same treatment/rule/punishment for all is the base of our education since birth. So, maybe we appears like 'strange' people but we are more likely fair people who want that rules be applied to everyone. Without any distinction.

 

If you want, we can sum up the several results we are talking about.

[pofigist]

Do you think that the results of your team specifically blocked one of the moderators?

 

Understand me correctly, don't properly designed and posted outcome raises questions. Many similar results from one team, with errors in design cause problems and misunderstandings. I think that blocking is caused by this, and I do not think it's worth a look for other causes.

I can not say that the results were obtained from same pc-components. I believe in fair play.

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sorry my english.

[jmax_oc]

I'm sorry but I only understand the last line

[Thor941]

but there is no sharing ...

[jmax_oc]

Ah ok. Since we are no longer accused of hardware sharing, maybe it could be fair to treat all our scores like classical scores and not doubtful scores. Especially when they have nothing extraordinary...

[jmax_oc]

quote me where I say this?

Read me carefully too. I don't say you thought we shared hardware. I just said you we are no longer accused of it (we were accused of hardware sharing by some members - and also 2 members I appreciated a lot )

 

But that's not the main problem now. We just want to know why our scores blocked.

If the only reason is lack of subtests => apply rule for everby body

If the reasons are lack of subtests + doubtful scores => exmplain why they are doubtful

 

For information, my members don't accept the current situation in which only some french guy lose more than 150 points hardly win only because we lack of subtests. If you wanna apply the rule, you have to apply it to everyone. Be sure that if the vote for this win, you will have a huge assistance for my members to track every incomplete screens (like we had after the bench party for the 2 years of the site).

 

So we are all waiting why our scores have been blocked.

 

PS : if you made a mistake mixing sharing presomption / lack of subtests and so on, there will be no problem if you admit it. No angry, nothing. You are humans like us and error is human, non ? Our error is only not to show subtests. Be sure that we will do this next time

[Thor941]

quote me where I say this?

 

I didn't say YOU, but without the "sharing" question, this topic wouldn't exist, that's what I meant ...

[mika]

why this score are not moderated ? http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=839797 => there is not subtest !

maybe cuz benji got only 2.8 pts ........... zzzzzzzzzzzzz

 

PS : nice english yeah i know

[Thor941]

and without one team posting similar scores with similar hardware the same day; without any background info. this thread would not exist either.

 

is that a new rule lol? you need now background info to validate a score? lots of similar HW is a bit the sense of a Lan

 

be serious ...

[jmax_oc]

Yea and without our lan, you won't blocked our results. But lan is a fact, lan is there, and lan give us more than 150 different scores.

 

However, it's not the main subject (just the 'catalyst' like someone said. The problem is that HWBot declared some scores invalid because they lack subtests and be doubtful. So, I would like to know what is doubtful exactly.

 

That's not more complicated : if our scores are blocked for a reason (good or bad), we want that similar scores from every team have the same. Of course, the best way is to be intellignent and to recognize that our scores aren't faked or bugged.

 

Final list of the blocked score for 'bad' reasons is coming.

[Benji Tshi]

and without one team posting similar scores with similar hardware the same day; without any background info. this thread would not exist either.

 

As my english is not so good, i'm not sure that i have understand everything, but be sure that i don't want to be agressive here.

 

You're talking about similar hardware and similar scores ??? What could we say about top40 Vantage hwbot which is only 4870X2/GTX295 with i7 965 ??

What about top40 SPi 1M which is only Rampage Extreme and E8600 ??

 

We're all using the same hardware because we all know what's needed to score a lot.

[Maxi]

So we are all waiting why our scores have been blocked.

 

Scores have been being moderated for missing test details for some time, this is NOT a new policy.

 

Again, you can post with an ORB link or a screen shot, the screen shot must have the same information available as the ORB link and that includes the individual test details as written in hwbot rules. When you search the ORB or hwbot and compare scores, what is the reason? Why do you do it? So you can assess the performance of your system against others - without the test details that comparison becomes almost meaningless. It is also nearly impossible to determine if the result is bugged or manipulated in some fashion. Being an experienced bencher I'm sure you understand this. It's best to move on and chalk this up to experience, hwbot will not be altering it's rules to disregard the test details now or in the future.

[jmax_oc]

Maxi, your word are very clear. But your words also say that you have to block all scores without subsets POINT.

 

For any 3D/PCMark and for any setub, you say clearly that no subset = incomplete screen = score blocked.

 

If HWBot is ok with it, why not. But you just imagine that you will have to block thousands scores. That's all I say. If you apply the rules strictly for us, then you have to apply the rule strictly for everyone.

 

But don't worry, I think you will have a great support from JMax-Hardware to cancel thousands of scores although it's at the opposite at our wish.

 

We started a vote on our site and if vote show that JMH want that the rule will be applicated to everyone, we will report each incomplete score with a strong organisation. It will be extremely boring for us and you but if it's your decision (no subtest => score blocked no exception), you will not make exception for it. We will never accepted to be moderated and others users (or some users) not...

[Benji Tshi]

We will never accepted to be moderated and others users (or some users) not...

 

 

That's exactly the point of these last 12 pages, and i think some people can't understand it...

 

Be sure i have a lot of time to spent scanning all hwbot results and report everyone which not follow the rules.

[joker_v3]

somes are on school holiday

[Benji Tshi]

some are unemployed

Edited April 10, 2009 by Benji Tshi

[Thor941]

some hate partiality

[dami1stm]

I think you have trouble to understand our point of view.

 

That the scores are not valid without subtests, we can fully understand ... But in this case, we ask that the rule is applied to everyone without exception whatsoever!

 

If you made no exception for us (subtest détails), it should be no exception for other people, this is the justice.

 

And you can be sure that we will make a pleasure to follow the rules to the letter, until it be ridiculous like is the situation for us now...

[Massman]

So, even though you find it rediculous to block a score because of missing subtest details, you will be reporting all scores because yours got blocked as well?

 

//edit: don't start with justice ... we're not some kind of government or court of justice

[mika]

So, even though you find it rediculous to block a score because of missing subtest details, you will be reporting all scores because yours got blocked as well?

 

 

 

O_O !!! Why not ?

[joker_v3]

ridiculous or not ridiculous, that's not the question.

if you block our scores, why others will not be blocked?

 

Come one ! it's because jmax-Hardware took a too large extent?

[dami1stm]

So, even though you find it rediculous to block a score because of missing subtest details, you will be reporting all scores because yours got blocked as well?

 

//edit: don't start with justice ... we're not some kind of government or court of justice

 

Lol, no. :nana:

 

I turned the question in the other direction :

 

You do not find ridiculous to block all our scores and not the others?

But, the rules is the same for all, right?

 

Don't worry i say that hwbot moderator team it's not a gorvenement... This looks more like a dictatorship or anarchy.

Edited April 10, 2009 by dami1stm

[Benji Tshi]

justice and equality is the most important thing on hwbot ! If i'm wrong, why ORB validation are needed ? To be sure there is no cheaters.

 

Anyway, be sure we dislike reporting results (i think we never do it), it's not our business nor our job, but if it's the only way to be listen and heard, we will do it.

We are really sorry because we know we are concerned by these reports, as other members which are our friends, but if we have no other choice, it will be done

[jmax_oc]

Mates, HWBot moderators aren't idiot and understand perfectly our request. We said the same thing in 20-25 different way but the same global idea : same rule, same treatment for everyone.

 

They just don't know that we are able (and maybe determined, depends to vote) to make the reporting job.

 

But now, I'm sure they know that we are very serious by saying that we are able to divide the huge work into us and report all incomplete scores (including our scores, no problem) for egality.

 

Egality is the one of the strongest idea in French. Maybe stronger than freedom...

 

Now, it's up to HWBot's crew to decide.

[Benji Tshi]

if you guys had post up the lan in advance, you can get a nice newspost at the front of HWBot with pics of the lan, with some nice scores a report etc etc and no issues would have been had; instead, without the info up front moderators tried their best to make sense of the similar scores done with similar hardware by same team members posted on the same day.

 

Our own thread was created 4 months ago !! Don't considers us as idiots ! No rules explain that it's mandatory to make a newspost before a common bench party. Moreover, i don't like these newspost, but this is my personnal point of view of course, so i wouldn't do it.

 

Overclocking is a hobby, everyone on hwbot do it for fun (i hope). We was happy to do our bench party, it was really funny, and everything goes wrong now because of a stupid rule which was never applied before !

 

 

And why reported scores which not respect the rules won't be blocked ? Be sure everyone in France and all over the world will know every little bit of this situation, and hwbot will be known as unfairy/partial/cheaty organism if the right decisions are not taken !