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Well HEDT is explicitly banned, however server platforms are not. So I think as long as you avoid HEDT chipsets and lga 2011-3, LGA 2066, and TR4 it should technically be allowed. Actually that means 2p is technically allowed in the rules they made. We should probably have Websmile clarify on that even though we know his answer.

LGA 2011-3 is fairly expensive, but if you look back to LGA 2011 for example, it's really not. Like I said, about the time data centers start upgrading xeons become more affordable than their i7 counterparts. 8c/16t 4p capable lga 2011 $40 Intel Xeon E5-4620 (B698-1696) 2.2GHz 16M 8 Cores 7.2GT/s SR0L4 LGA2011 CPU 8c/16t 2p capable lga 2011-3 $120 Intel Xeon E5-2630 V3 ES QEYW 8Core 2.2GHz 20M 16T 85W 22nm LGA2011-3 Processor even 10c/20t 2p capable lga 2011-3 for $200 INTEL XEON QS SR1XZ E5-2628L v3 2GHZ 25MB 10 CORES LGA2011-3 PROCESSOR | eBay Hell, lga 2011 12c/24t, which is max on this socket is sub $200 QTY 1x Intel ES/QS CPU E5-2651 V2 12-Cores 1.8Ghz 30MB LGA2011 QEFC | eBay If you want a little bit more clockspeed, 2.4 Ghz $365 QTY 1x Intel CPU E5-2695 V2 CPU 12-Cores 2.4Ghz 30MB Cache LGA2011 SR1BA | eBay Even the fastest 12c on lga 2011 is sub $600 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-XEON-E5-2697v2-3-50GHz-12-Core-24-Threads-E5-2697-v2-30MB-SR19H-130W-/332400686357?epid=218329439&hash=item4d649ff515:g:akEAAOSwgeVZ1B0c 16c/32t lga 2011-3 2p capable for $440 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Xeon-E5-2675-V3-SR1XM-1-8GHZ-16Core-40MB-110W-32T-LGA2011-3-Processor-CPU-/112510005992?hash=item1a321e72e8:g:OtIAAOSwFlxZZebY 18c/36t lga 2011-3 2p capable $540 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Xeon-E5-2695-V4-ES-QHV4-2-0GHz-45M-18Core-135W-LGA2011-3-CPU-Processor-/112470194541?hash=item1a2fbef96d:g:~x4AAOSw8d5ZP2Of If for some reason you absolutely need 22c/44t xeon it's $1k http://www.ebay.com/itm/QHUP-E5-2669-V4-ES-2-10GHz-CPU-22-CORE-LGA-2011-3X99-C612-PROCESSOR-/172764488149?hash=item283990e1d5:g:MJsAAOSw~rpZXA-- My point is that you can't say that xeons at least lga 2011 and older are any harder to get than any HEDT cpu. These older xeon platforms are common budget platforms for people who need a lot of threads cheap. I know I made a NAS on LGA 771 2 years ago, it was $35 for a 2p board and $5 each for 4c xeons, and $36 for 24 gb of ecc ddr2. These were not some kind of lightning ebay deal I picked up either, these are common prices. Even on LGA 2011-3 you don't need to be enterprise to afford xeons anymore. I totally understand banning current gen xeons for comps, but it's like ES. Current gen ES makes you elite, old ES is just budget cpus.

If you want a real twist on equally widely available hw make it dual ares II on quad fx!

As I've recently acquired an sr-2 and a quad fx and am looking at skull trail I'm itching to compete with some other 2p systems. I know that we'll probably never see an official hwbot comp that allows server chips and 2p systems so I figured I may as well make a fun comp myself. Anyways, this thread is for planning and coming up with stages for such a comp. I'm also thinking of potentially also throwing SLI/CF in as you never see comps that allow it and it follows a similar theme. Anyways, I'd love to hear your thoughts on potential stages. My initial thinking is potentially something like this: Stage 1 Something LGA 1366, UP and MP allowed Stage 2 Something LGA 771, UP and MP allowed Stage 3 Lowest Timespy score, must have 2 cpus and 2-4 gpus, I suspect that Fermi will be a good place to start with it's dx12 "support", will be an interesting test to see the slowest cpu arch with all the instructions, including ssse3 (Sorry k10.5) Anyways, these are just some ideas I had for stages so that it should be relatively accessible while still remaining true to the spirit of a 2p comp.

Mine did 5.8 with 5.5 cache on phase at 1.6v, so probably.

Sometimes it can take a while for points to properly apply, have you given it a day or so?

No, I had more quirks like when I applied a profile that I had created it would do it with HT disabled and voltages set to auto no matter what was saved in the profile. Now for the voltages if I just switched it to manual mode it would still have the correct numbers set, I just would have to change it from auto to manual even after resaving the profile a few times. It was annoying the first couple of times when I couldn't figure out why it wasn't posting settings that had just worked or why it was scoring really badly in geekbench and hwbot prime. But nothing like it just dying that I know about.

I know nothing of Old School OC, the oldest I've OC'd was a a64 6400+ which is AM2. But I just wanted to mention that I look forward to what ever this ends up being and what platform I get a good excuse to learn and struggle with for a month or two. I think that something "exotic" like the 2p celeron board would be interesting, but I have a fondness for 2p systems. However I don't know how rare that board is and for comps you definitely need to pick hw that most people have reasonable access to something that qualifies.

The impact is also the best z97 board all around for cpu, it clocks cpu the best as well as clocking ram better than any other maximus board due to 2 dimm slots. I have one and it is a very good OC board, even with it's quirks.

Alright, thanks for the clarification. Looks like I may hold out of stage 5 but r/overclocking should still be able to find a 1080 and a 980ti/1070.

I used Asus's software in AI Suite. I think there's a way to install just the OC software without AI suite, but I forget what it was. I don't know how stable it is for normal OC, but it's good for validation.

So I know that GP102 is banned, however there is no mention of Vega. My question stems from the fact that while Vega is definitely out prior to the start of the comp, Asus has yet to get around to launching ANY Vega cards of their own prior to the comp. So assuming Snsv gets around to launching Vega before this comp ends will it be valid to sub?

Wow, never thought I'd see one of my system pics outside of my own subs. But just thought I'd like to remind you that only stage 1 and 2 are limited to ambient cooling. Stage 3 is open to any cooling, I didn't even sub the optimal platform for frequency, I just subbed what I was benching at the time for team comp and changed my background. If you check out stage 1 and 2 you can still contribute greatly probably to your team. Which is what is important, this is not an individual effort. So what if you can't compete in 3 out of 5 stages? Your team mates that may be able to compete in those 3 stages can't even sub in 2 of the stages that you can be competitive in. Focus on working with your team for the team effort as that's what this comp is all about, team work.

If you ever want some tips for OC on it one 1700x to another I'd love to help you out. Especially in gpupi 1B, that's my bench for ryzen. I managed to get mine to 4.19 ghz, although at a slightly crazy 1.6v, on some really good watercooling.

I noticed that you had only a few subs on your 1700x, did you buy it a few days before comp end to bench?

It would definitely help if we had time to get all of the hw needed before the comp, especially if we tried to have certain stages end early. Most of the "exotic" cpus were not required but certainly helped. Ie. my 5775c was spitting out some nice scores for it's clockspeed, but if you got enough ghz on a 4690k you could make up for lack of that rare cpu. Similarly with the 6900k that no one wanted to buy for gpupi 100m, our 6900k on water was keeping up with 5820k on ln2 with significantly more clockspeed. Polaris ended up being a tough stage for many people if they didn't already have cards, as most people aren't willing to spend the money that polaris is now with mining. And of course there was the challenge of finding working 939 and 468 boards that were good for OC. But overall I felt like there was a nice spread of hw and at least for my team we got to learn a lot of platforms that we wouldn't've otherwise touched. I know I had fun on my 5960x that came in the last week, and I never thought previously that I would ever buy x99 especially after ryzen came out.

That'd be good, so then you wouldn't have the initial rush and the potential "luck of the draw" of who managed to pick the right stage. Because I know that just benching stock it can be hard to get a score in every stage within 2 weeks, especially for ones for the older hw when combined with "younger" teams such as r/overclocking where we had to try to find good 939 and 478 boards because we didn't already have them as well as learning to OC them. I know I had to learn 1155 OC at about 3 am cst before the comp ended at 7 am!

Yeah, would definitely be nice to have more incentive for those on "weaker" cooling to join in comps. When I was on ambient I would participate in comps, especially team comps, but I had no hope of competing with LN2. So it would definitely help to bring more engagement from those on ambient cooling if they could still remain competitive in ln2 dominated comps.

Just wanted to chime in as someone who ran a 7890k on phase. It's definitely a pain in the ass, because you basically have to set your OC then boot before the phase is all the way cold. I mainly only did clockspeed validation on mine for team comp, and I found that software OC was the best way. Managed to validate 5.75 Ghz, although at some point I must've pushed too much cpu-nb because now it's down to 1 memory channel. Core did okay at 2v though for validation so I was pretty pleased with my overall result.

I was more saying that if you've missed 6 weeks and you're already 8 weeks in then you'll have a very hard time competing with a team that's 8 for 8. One way around this would be to have each stage worth more points the later in the comp it is. So for example the 2 stages from the 1st 2 weeks may be worth 50 points each, but then the 2 stages from weeks 7 and 8 would be worth 100 points each. So that it hurts to miss stages early but there's still a chance for a comeback if your team was DOA initially. Kinda like how the final jeopardy can reverse the placing as long as you at least stay remotely close. This would still discourage sandbags as long as the final 2 stages were enough points to reverse the placing while not being enough so as to not require early subs assuming we had a case like this time where OCN held a pretty significant lead until the last few days. But I do really like your idea Mr. Paco as it would add an interesting twist to the competition and encourage "sportsmanlike conduct".

I like that twist, it doesn't harm people who can't bench until later in the comp too much, and it also helps reduce how hectic the end of the comp is as the last 2 weeks there's only 2 stages you have to worry about and if you missed subs earlier you can't worry about them now. The only disadvantage with this is that after a certain point there will be some teams that just quit as they've already lost too many stages to have a chance at competing to the end.

Would definitely be an interesting idea. Although it might discourage people from moving up to more extreme cooling. I know when I went up to apprentice I didn't want to leave enthusiast because of the ambient only comps as well wanting to wait until I got 1st in enthusiast. At least until I realized that one does not simply beat Kimandsally. But it also is nice to give those people that want to stay in enthusiast league or rookie/novice league for whatever reason a chance to compete. And I definitely agree that it would add a certain element of strategy. Do I have my ambient score from the "fastest" part and try to boost our lowest score with ln2, or do I have my worst score be ambient and try to drag it up with a really good ln2 score. Depending on the arch it may even be a moot point, because for example on steamroller frequency validation I was running into a CBB on my phase change and the CB is within dice range so ln2 wouldn't even help too much for that stage.

I'm just glad that we had the hw diversity to be able to get the optimal hw for basically every stage. I had a lot of fun benching the i7 5775c myself, that l4 cache is seriously stronk. Just kinda wish I'd had some PSC sooner than 2 weeks before the end of the comp. My MFR just wasn't keeping up. I thought it was funny that not many teams had a 6900k as it it little benching relevance outside of that one stage. I know the only reason we managed one was crowdsourcing through reddit which also helped some other stages.

Added myself, nice to see some people within driving distance. Would be cool to do a meetup in the Chicago area for country cup.

It was indeed, to be honest, over at r/overclocking we didn't expect anyone to have the balls to hold that many points until the last 24 hours and risk the site being down. I think we're very happy with our place, especially since we expected at best to be in 5th. So overall I'm very happy with how r/overclocking did and feel like there were few stages that I could've significantly improved my score had I had a little more time to bench which is preferable, it's never fun to end a comp like this feeling like you left something on the table.