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Great! Awesome!

Fyi, we have arranged for a couple of cooling pot prizes again this year

Under section 4 of the article ...

Fyi, around 133MHz BCLK (forgot whether it's 133 or 140) the board will switch to the external PLL. So, you might want to go in small steps there. Something like 100 -> 105 105 -> 130 130 -> 145 145 -> 170 Around 170MHz -175 to be precise- was the highest the board could do with multiple CPUs. Afaik, it was related to the used clockgen (you could do a little higher fiddling with clock spectrum). The boot-in-windows issue is 99% IDE/AHCI related.

Not feeling so comfortable about the desktop background though

Who says you need LN2 and superbinned hardware. Well done!

Interesting board choice. I like it!

For high FSB clocks, you should try the 'even' memory multipliers: either DDR3-800, DDR3-1600 or DDR3-2400. Also set IDE, not AHCI.

Score goes up?

Merry Christmas everyone!

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Soldering skill comes with practice. The first voltage modifications I did myself I considered to be "damn near impossible" as well, but as I did more cards it just got easier .

Package is awesome

I was refering to Mafio's post, not yours

A photo doesn't really prove anything about the result either, though. I guess in those categories we should just assume overclockers respect each other enough not to use different chips. Thanks for helping out!

If the problem would be OCP, the system would just shutdown. This sounds like throttling in some way. How are the temperatures?

So NV400 series. Documented issue?

I've read through the thread since post #31, but before forming an opinion I will need to read it again tomorrow. For now, I just want to make a couple of notes about some strong myths in overclocking and some facts about overclocking that people seem to easily forget. 1) Overclocking is a technical sport - no matter how great your skill (however you may define that term), in the end it's the MHz that will win the game 2) Companies, secret tools and in-house development products have always been part of the overclocking. The only difference is that nowadays people are aware of this whereas in the old days people weren't. 3) Most of the 'old' top dogs have their own secrets. Afaik, Hipro5 kept most of the modifications for his 2900XTX (or 1900XTX - not sure anymore) for himself when posting the first set of results. Macci had his own tweaks too. The difference is that a couple years back people were more tolerant towards secrecy and were more focussed on trying to figure out why they got beaten rather than demanding every single trick. 4) Limiting the CPU overclock might seem interesting, but it does not solve everything. Already wrote about that some years ago: "The paradox of a fair overclocking competition" 5) People are still interested in extreme overclocking - even in those CPU-Z so-called obscure records. Whether they are able to reproduce those results themselves is irrelevant to the interest, much like people enjoy seeing Red Bull extreme sports or F1 racing. 6) The price of overclocking has always been high. Only when a company like Intel or AMD makes the mistake of bringing a low-end product to the market that can be fine-tuned to the performance of a high-end SKU, it was reasonably affordable. Those days are gone for what Intel is concerned. 7) Binning has been around for longer than the HWBOT rankings, but it used to be more targeted at the air overclockers (X GHz for Y volt). 8) It's actually not the industry that brought mass-binning to overclocking, it's AndreYang. He himself has more resources for selecting CPUs than any vendor as marketing teams within vendors have limited resources that they need to spend on other things than overclocking. 9) Remember that for a long time the maximum amount of graphics cards you could use was 1. In those days, to get the absolute highest performance results you could get away with one graphics card. Also, in those days you could still get away with non-LN2 cooling (as hw didn't scale that much with temperature) Should this be discussed in a separate thread? The broader subject kind of fits the theme, so I don't have a problem of having it in this thread. I will read over the "hwbot killed overclocking"-posts, though ... that kind of posts lead to nothing anyway

Even with software like inspector?

What kind of clock limits?

What is the strange issue?

Going over the scores right now - will inform MSI about the winners soon

Okay, thanks for the clarification. It's a good idea to provide more platforms for overclockers to enjoy their hobby at, I think, but I do have a sidenote related to engaging new people and its relation to exposure of overclocking achievements. If you are currently looking for a way to spread the word on overclocking, HWBOT offers the following ways for you to make exposure to your or your team's capabilities. LeaguesPro OC League Xtreme Overclockers League Enthusiast League Teams League Hardware Masters [*]Competitions Sponsored online competitions (eg: Gigabyte comps) Sponsored online qualifiers for live competitions (eg: MOA qualifiers) HWBOT user-based competitions (eg: HWBOT OC Challenges, Fanboy Cup) HWBOT team-based competitions (eg: Team Cup) HWBOT country-based competitions (eg: Country Cup) Community competitions (eg: SF3D competition) User vs user/team/world challenges (not really hwbot) Live overclocking competitions (eg: GOOC, MOA) [*]Records Benchmark world records Global records (eg: 1x CPU wprime) Hardware class records (eg: E8600 SuperPI 1M) (not hwbot) Futuremark/Catzilla ORB records [*]Achievements Ranking-based (eg: OC King, Prince) Hardware-based (eg: LGA1156 king) As you can see, there's already a very comprehensive list of ways to promote overclocking in general or your personal/team's achievements. We're coming from a situation (back in 2006 or so) where mainly(/only?) the overall benchmark records were looked at and there is definitely a more wider appreciation for overclocking. Even though there's a lot more possibilities to spread the word on overclocking, the hobby has evolved internally (= within the inner circle of overclocking) quite a lot, but not that much externally (= to mainstream audience). I think the key problem our community will have to deal with in the next couple of months/years is figuring out the best way to communicate our passion to the outside world. Adding more ways to create exposure by, for example, setting up a ranking as you suggested will possibly be good for internal enthusiasm but won't change much externally. In my opinion, what overclocking needs is a transparency and coherency. Not that this is such a great and unique insight - everything needs those - but it's important to repeat this as much as possible. As long as everyone within the community replies differently to the question "what is important in oc?", people who don't have a great understanding of the community will just get lost in the many different OC exposure methods. As people tend to look for simplicity, they then revert to the most simple way to determine what's important for overclocking: PR from vendors. Essentially, because there's a very incoherent voice within the community, the community allows the industry to dictate what's important. Which is always the latest, greatest, most expensive. WE know that's not true, but outsiders don't. Other people have recommended that we should put more focus on the XOC as that would be easier for outsiders to relate to overclocking. But outsiders don't necessarily have great interest in the old hardware - how challenging overclocking them might be. Again, WE know it takes a lot of effort, but the outsiders don't. We could educate, but it would take too much effort to both explain and keep them interested. Imho, within the community there's quite a great appreciation for what the guys do with older/mainstream hardware. Mainly because within the community we understand how much effort it requires to set for example a #1 result with a HD4870 in 3DMark Vantage or to win one of the HWBOT OC Challenges. That is because, within the community, we experience all this ourselves. Outside the community, people don't experience and therefore appreciate less. Now, because of various reasons I've already covered in the opening post, even what is supposed to be the billboard (targeted to external) for overclocking - "the pros" - isn't catching on. I figure we might have identified why and try to address that with the Cup. In other words, the biggest problem is the exposure towards the outside world. Now, before we go in a pessimistic spiral and start debating how overclocking is dead and no one cares; people are VERY MUCH interested in overclocking. The best proof you can find at IT events - there's always people hanging out at the xtreme overclocking booth and always coverage from even the mainstream media (even the BBC!). Even within your own local area there are people interested in following up on the overclocking achievements, that's what I notice with the Country Cup at Tones for example. Mainstream sites are interested in overclocking records. But ... we don't present them how it works precisely. "OC career path"-thought (sorry, couldn't come up with a better title) This is a more personal view on overclocking and how it I think it should be structured to gain more interest from 'the outside'. I call it the "oc career path" because it's supposed to represent the way someone evolves over time within the overclocking community. Types of overclocker Global Hero: the famous ones Global Participant: participates in global overclocking competitions, pro oc, mainly focusing on competing with industry teams even, but not usually gets to top-5 or 10 Local Hero: hero amongst local forum members/countrymen because of his overclocking achievements within the team/country Extreme participant: is extremely passionate about overclocking, does all sorts of hardware, sometimes extreme, motivates forum members to join the team Active participant: does overclocking on a regular basis, but not extreme and usually not with highend hardware Ocassional participant: does overclocking, but very lightly and not often Fanboy spectator: follows overclocking and actively debates/voices opinion about it Spectator: follows overclocking, but not discuss it [*]Types of platform GlobalPro OC League/Cup: thé most important overclocking competition - participating is already an honor XOC: the amateur variant of Pro OC, but more appropriate for the more "budget-restraint" (relatively speaking) overclockers EL: the amateur non-extreme variant of XOC Live contests: live overclocking competitions like GOOC and MOA [*]Local Team Cup: mostly to get more recruits to join overclocking on your local forum Country Cup: similar, but country based Local competitions: small events to teach how overclocking works and explain how your team is represented within the global world of overclocking In my opinion, overclocking stands and falls with the level of engagement from the local heros. Who do I think would qualify as local hero (no judgement here, just my personal opinion): you (Rasparthe), IMOG, Rbuass (especially in Brazil), Pizzaman at OCN, Infrared (Bulgaria), etc. There are many others that fit in this list too, please forgive me for not listing all. It doesn't matter how popular the top guns are or how many people are visiting your forum, if the local heros don't push the overclocking it'll not move forward. In that regard my existence - or HWBOT's - is as insignificant as a grain of sand on the beach. HWBOT can essentially deliver the tools for the local heros, but the enthusiasm can only be created by the local heros. (Extreme) Overclocking, as an activity, won't die instantly if the locals don't push, but it'll just be reduced to a mainly industry-dominated "secret oc"/"rediculous resource"/"world record only"-game where the community or enthusiasts have very little effect on. I've always been of the opinion that overclocking should be a decentralised structure where you have many strong communities coming together on a platform like HWBOT. In a practical sense, it means I prefer enthusiasts to do "many activity on local forum" over "few activity on hwbot forum". From that perspective, I think it's easy to understand why the Pro OC Cup should be with subteams: the idea here is that a local community can explain their overclocking activities as: Pro OC Cup: this is the creme de la creme of our community competing in the most prestegious competition Team Cup and Teams League: here we show how strong we are as a community User Leagues/comps/achievements/...: these are platforms you can use to 'practice', learn more about overclocking, persue records or in general show your fellow overclockers what you can do Through the exposure generated via the overclocking competitions, a local community could gather interest from local (or global) companies/people to help support small events. By the way, when I'm talking about 'external' or 'the outside' I don't just mean people that are knowledgable or involved with computer hardware. It might as well be something like a local magazine. I know it's quite difficult to agree on what exactly is important in overclocking ~ difficult to agree what deserves the most attention from the outside world as everyone sort of has a different idea of it. Some will say it should be only global overclocking records (~ 3DMark11 overall), others will say it's the live competitions (~ MOA), others say it's the xtreme amateur league (~ XOC), others say it's the ambient cooling (~ EL), others say it's the Hardware Masters and so on. Usually depending on what users are most involved at. All HWBOT (and me personally since I'm professionally involved) can do is try to maybe offer a consensus on it. Which isn't easy, FYI . Alright, think I'm done. I could write a couple pages on how my involvement with vendors plays a part in all this, but I think that will be for another time. Not sure if Frederik will be happy I spend so much time on writing this one. Sorry for the long post too, by the way.

Just uploaded the Nvidia PowerMizer Manager tool to the server. It's basically allowing you to set the power state of your Nvidia graphics card. Not really a magic software, but could be useful for extreme overclocking - Nvidia PowerMizer Manager 1.01: http://downloads.hwbot.org/downloads/tools/NVPMManagerUni.exe