Massman

3DMark01 lovers out there?

Ok, not then

I thought about this long and hard and ran it past Big Boss RB and I'm convinced it's time for a change in the way things are dealt with. I'll send you a PM soon with some other questions.

Not if you don't have any points yet. There are 13 HWBOINT benchmarks currently, which means that every starting member would get 1.3p for just running all benchmarks. - new member sees point increase with every benchmark - new member sees that he supports a team - new member learns how to run benchmarks/verification - new member looks how he can improve (maybe forum members say: 'buy something very cheap') From the eyes of someone who is used to see 300p in the profile, 0.1p may be mockery, but from the eyes of who has no points 0.1p is already something. Possibly enough to maintain or increase the level of interest for the overclocking hobby.

Games?

How ironic is it that the solution for giving the new guy some points for submitting (0.1p) was called stupid when the Rev3 was launched .

1.3V in afterburner IIRC

I must make my posts more clear . Okay, it comes down to this: CURRENTLY: sharing rules are made to prevent abuse of rankings (eg: team takes all points in specific CPU ranking because of sharing of a golden CPU). Therefore: CPU sharing in 2D not allowed, VGA sharing in 3D not allowed. ALTERNATIVES: 1) Disallow sharing completely 2) Allow sharing completely The first option is practically not possible because there's no way to monitor what CPU is used in what benchmark. The second option IS possible, but that will give a lot of complications. My last two posts are describing solutions for the points algorithm and rankings that would remove some complications when allowing hardware sharing completely.

The problem is that currently the engine is mainly coded around the personal points with a team points extention. By this I mean: - Score -> points - Points -> user - User -> team The team points are just a summation of the user points. One way to solve this would be to reconfigure the engine so that teams would look like users. So, instead of giving the user credit for a score, you give the team credit for a score (instead of group per user_id, group per team_id). And the team points would be calculate on that ranking instead of just total of user points. Ok, this actually makes a bit of sense! (if you don't understand, let me know and i'll run a few queries to show it with actual rankings). There are still two problems then: - Allowing the hardware sharing in the Members Leagues would mean that there will be intense sharing within one team. This means that if one team has a great combo of hardware (7GHz 980X and 1500MHz GTX480), they could share within the team and dominate the Overclockers League ranking. Imagine Top-30 to be Madshrimps only. - This does not invite newcomers to join an overclocking team. In essence (and that's where your logic has a flaw), people join because the want to do some overclocking with hardware they already own. It's wrong to assume that these people will buy legacy hardware, because in order to be willing to spend money on hardware, they first need to be motivated to support the team. This motivation now comes from seeing that your scores have an effect on the team ranking. Without this, people do not see that they are supporting the team and might not be motivated.

http://hwbot.org/community/submission/1033340_pt1t_3dmark_vantage___performance_geforce_gtx_480_33838_marks - Hipro5 bios #1 - Kinc's modifications

It's a nice idea, but with some complications. Think about the following situation: 3Dmark06 - HD4870 competition 1st: Bencher 1 (Team A) 2nd: Bencher 2 (Team B) Bencher 1 lends his golden HD4870 to 10 other benchers of his team. The ranking will look as follows: 1st: Bencher 1 (team A) 2nd: Bencher 3 (team A) 3rd: Bencher 4 (team A) 4th: ... ...: ... 11th: Bencher 2 (team B). The amount of points added to the team's total of the submission of bencher 2 is now a lot lower because of the hardware sharing. Another issue is the fact that newcomers wouldn't have the option to submit scores to join the team anymore. Eg: if someone joins with the HD4870 on stock cooling and gathers 5 points for the team, his effort would be pointless if one guy of the team has LN2 on the card. This system would be very heavily biased towards the extreme overclockers.

Looking good. Well ... kinda . Will you try LN2 on the northbridge? Saw Shamino doing it all the time.

Impressive! Any pictures of the system? What's holding you back?

Niiice. 1,5 points

The idea behind adding Unigine Heaven is not 'to have an extra benchmark' or 'to have an alternative for Futuremark', but just 'to have a DX11 benchmark'.

Well, we can't change how the benchmark works

Dropped it. Maybe it'll be better to just show the latest twitter update in that place.

What about the news ticker? I've been using the toolbar for a day now and don't really like something moving all the time. Leave it or drop it?

Elitist move? Ignoring the past? C'mon guys, don't start to make rediculous statements. We're talking here about adding ONE benchmark to measure the DX11 rendering quality. It's not elitist as the cheapest DX11 card is now <40€; in the future more cheap cards will appear.

Still an issue?

Some didn't want to use a mouse to make the computer do what they want; but hey, we all use it now, right! The problem is not those who are just aiming for hardware points, the problem is those who are aiming at the global rankings. It makes no sense to continuesly add benchmarks just for the sake of adding: the more benchmarks, the more global rankings that need to be conquered to be able to run at the top. A few benchmarks are okay, a dozen is pushing it ... a hundred is obviously too much. Why is everyone afraid of moving forward?

In theory that is. In practice we force people to run every single benchmark if they want to get as much points as possible.

It should be hack 'n' crack proof.

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Hey boys and girls, Came across this neat-looking feature titled 'conduit toolbar' last night and decided to set one up for HWBOT as well. Basically, it's a small toolbar add-on for your Firefox/IE7 browser that gives you quicklinks to the most visited hwbot pages (new submissions, submit score etc) as well as a news ticker with the latest hwbot headlines . Download link: http://hwbot.OurToolbar.com/ Since I'm quite new to the entire toolbar community thing (I like my browser clean and tidy) I'm very much open to suggestions. Just let me know what would be cool to have and we'll add it for you . Oh, by the way, the more users that actively use this toolbar, the more revenue we have. In other words: using the toolbar equals supporting HWBOT .