Kal-EL

Yes, submit result with retail beating pants off ES. Then there would be no more arguments to keep ES chips in the rankings because retail is better. Never again will we be arguing about ES because now it is gone from rankings and Top 10 Overclockers are happy because Retail pwns ES. Go find Andy's batch guys

No one is furious, just frustrated. It boggles me though that if people are here on the premise of "competing" that they would be o.k. with their competitors having an markedly unfair advantage over you them. Either they arnt really here to compete or they are just very toolerant.

Whats the problem?

There is a great number of talented and knowledgeable overclockers out there more than capable of achieving those clocks with the same hardware. These same talented overclockers do not have the privilege of the cold bug fixed provided by some manufacturers and nvidia. Don't sell yourself short on your potential. I'm 100% hobbiest and enthusiast but it doesn't mean I'm gonna like watching your average joe overclocker beat the guts outa his retail hardware just to be creamed by Gigabyte or MSI. This is exactly whats happening, average joe's make up the majority of submissions at hwbot yet they are being pitted against insurmountable odds when competing directly against Manufacturer backed prototype hardware binned and designed to destroy world records. Is hwbot participation completely and utterly about corporate competitive marketing or will there be a space for retail/average joe overclockers to excell?

If you were competing on a retail platform with no hardware support from manufacturers, you would care a great deal about improving the playing field. Its easy to sit back in the rankings and chalk it up to "Its great to see the great scores". But if you're getting close to the top end of the rankings with hopes of breaking into the top ten, you'd be pretty disheartened to continue while getting slapped around by ES chips you have no access to. Sure you could ebay some reject ao's or find some black market dealer in Taiwan but odds are you won't get anywhere decent. TO me, I see manufacturers investments in top tier overclockers for marketing purposes. Manufacturer after manufacturer looking for the next world record to market their wares. So they support their overclockers and support them well. This is awesome, we get to see wicked prototype hardware doing amazing things on Ln2. I guess the question really boil down to: Why do you submit benchmarks to hwbot?

Filibustered!

The discussion will die down soon and the die hard overclockers will continue to make submissions like the great enthusiasts that they are until the next ES GPU/CPU hits the marketing scene.

Retail Army FTW!

Retail Army!

I wonder what MSI, Asus or EVGA will do next?

Our internal poll results show a desire for ES to be completely removed. How to regulate such a rule is being discussed as well. HiCookie's scores/clocks are redonkeyless/crazy/sick.

Holy Crapola Duke, you're gettin jiggy with it now homie

Yah, nice pushing sofos, keep pushing

There are alot of frustrated people out there. ES vs Retail, Pro's vs Joe's, Afraid to compete NDA cb mod agreements, sharing is caring sessions, Enforce/don't Enforce rules, its quite the pisser.

666 7mhz

Kickarse Jor

You'd have an entire Retail Army knocking on your door then Hwbot would turn into a Professional League of SPonsored/Paid or Manufacturer employed overclockers battling it out.

Who does an overclocker communicate with in regards to clarification of these manufacturer driver overclocking events? Is there designated coordinators or is that you Massman?

Nice run bro

wow x.X

Great work Kickbuttouski

Kickarse run Romdominance + OCGMJ. Watching you two on the livestream work together was epic. Binky and the Brain couldnt have done better

Outstanding ownage

Don't be redunkeyless mang, cpu score is high and don't tell me he up-clocked it for the cpu test and downclocked for the screeny. Helluva an A for effort getting groovy and sporting some premium home brew chiller action tho. :thumbsup: for that.

sry bud, NDA on this one too.