K404 Posted February 15, 2011 Author Share Posted February 15, 2011 Thats a more complicated rule to enforce bro Also.... would existing results be untouched? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaPaKaH Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 I think that the only thing we can separate between the two is the die shrink (55 vs 65 nm) which IMHO isn't enough to make two separate categories since overclocking is the same. Also, if you flash a BIOS from a 65nm card into a 55nm card, how will GPU-z detect it? P.S.Massman, if you're so excited about the 9800 cards, why don't you fix the P4-2.4 stuff? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Ney Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 Yeah, but physically it's 2 different cards, if they were both 65nm ok no problem. But here it's 65nm and 55nm. That's not the same. And about your ''flashing card'' argument, you can flash any card into any card you want !?(I haven't tested myself, I only flash cards with a BIOS modified by myself(editing the main BIOS)) Not a TNT2 into a GTX580 but same generation cards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massman Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 Not always, the technical specifications need to match pretty well. Just asked W1zzard about the die size detection mechanism of GPU-Z and, as Sam already mentioned, the die size is indeed function of the detected device_id. This meaning: you can flash away the 55nm and turn it into a 65nm. In other words: GPU-Z does not allow a clear distinction between GTX and GTX+. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K404 Posted February 15, 2011 Author Share Posted February 15, 2011 Yeah, but physically it's 2 different cards, if they were both 65nm ok no problem.But here it's 65nm and 55nm. That's not the same. It shouldn't be the same, but between nVidia and vendors, it often IS the same. The reality of the "production" doesn't match what nVidia intended (assuming nVidia were entirely honest) I have 9800GT with a unique device ID and it's still 65nm. There's both die processes available. User can only tell from the die markings and GPU-Z. A user can go into a shop and buy a GTX+ and (using your idea) then be told they have to submit it as a GTX because it's 65nm. In theory, the implications of that mean the vendor is selling through false advertising. Maybe they are (lol) but it's far easier and less... .hmmmm.... "controversial?" to throw the categories together. Minimal maintenance. For most of these cards, don't even need to flash the BIOS, just use the lack of clarity in the device ID and GPU model. I did flash my GTX with the suposed Cold BIOS. Some GTX+ can have the same done (same PCB) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Ney Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 +1 You reached to convince me, I am ok for combine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K404 Posted February 15, 2011 Author Share Posted February 15, 2011 (edited) Thankyou Thats 0.001% of my training done to convince Massman of things he is against to start with I think this is the only set of GPU categories where this happens, for "recent" nVidia anyway... Edited February 15, 2011 by K404 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoF Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 I have some 9800 GTX "classic" results and not sure where I would end up - to be honest: I don't care, do whatever you want Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K404 Posted June 17, 2011 Author Share Posted June 17, 2011 Any news on this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crew Turrican Posted June 17, 2011 Crew Share Posted June 17, 2011 it's impossible to merge\add categories in rev4 atm. i hope it gets fixed soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K404 Posted June 17, 2011 Author Share Posted June 17, 2011 Ok, thanks Karl Hope there's progress on that soon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaPaKaH Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 you can do it "the hard way" - find a mod to edit all the 9800GTX+ scores into 9800GTX, then delete the 9800GTX+ category and rename the 9800GTX to 9800GTX/GTX+ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knopflerbruce Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 I know who that special one will be... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crew Turrican Posted June 17, 2011 Crew Share Posted June 17, 2011 I know who that special one will be... haha, yeah you have experience with it i guess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Ney Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 The kid is too new to do it So this is between you and Karl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knopflerbruce Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 The kid is too new to do it So this is between you and Karl I'm his bitch, yes:( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reggiesanchez Posted June 26, 2011 Share Posted June 26, 2011 I think its a great idea......9800gtx is my favorite card to bench it would be nice to unlock more people to compete with. Not many benching 9800gtx and there kinda hard to find. Its pretty much a buy on site card for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K404 Posted June 26, 2011 Author Share Posted June 26, 2011 I'm not knocking your choice because it's A/ nVidia and B/ G92 so of course i'm a fan too, but it's weird how some cards just "click" with some people Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reggiesanchez Posted June 26, 2011 Share Posted June 26, 2011 (edited) I'm not knocking your choice because it's A/ nVidia and B/ G92 so of course i'm a fan too, but it's weird how some cards just "click" with some people One of the first ones I tried cold with no OCP and only minor vdroop issues. Runs great at 1.4+ with only minor cap mod done. Not to mention when that card came out I could only afford onboard video on crumby mobo's makes it one of my favorites. Edited June 26, 2011 by reggiesanchez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q56_Monster Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 Maybe if the categories were merged the points would be worth something....right now the points are lame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massman Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 Merged categories. Currently in the process of recalculating all the rankings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K404 Posted June 28, 2011 Author Share Posted June 28, 2011 Thanks! Maybe if the categories were merged the points would be worth something....right now the points are lame. Who cares about points? Is that the only reason you bench things? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reggiesanchez Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 Merged categories. Currently in the process of recalculating all the rankings. another fast change you guys are on the ball this week. Just got done prepping another one ill see if I can let her rip. Just need to find a few tek's iirc someone used to sell them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K404 Posted June 29, 2011 Author Share Posted June 29, 2011 Just got done prepping another one ill see if I can let her rip. uh-oh! Wish I could find a "+" card with a good core Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q56_Monster Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 Thanks! Who cares about points? Is that the only reason you bench things? Being that I have a few gold cup 9800gtx submissions, what do you think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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