Guest Posted July 22, 2019 Posted July 22, 2019 The recent banter I swapped with ADVenturePO member was very funny. Dude has never been on my radar before though. He perhaps considers himself a worthy adversary of Enthusiasts page1. https://hwbot.org/career/enthusiast?offset=-1 https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/adversary _____________ Lets examine that shall we. https://hwbot.org/user/nata_58/#Points The #1 enthusiast enjoys his ranking with some nice highest 20 & 30 point scores. Sounds fair right? A nice score I consider a job well done is 20 points earned. ____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ So what's up with this? Member enjoys a inflated front page ranking due to massive GLOBALS no other enthusiast can achieve. Extreme LN2 weighted advantage https://hwbot.org/user/adventurepo/ How so Avalanche you ask? Curious are we? http://www.mediafire.com/view/z4qkk178mqfeb6b/1%284%29.jpg/file I've flagged these in red. Then some others in green where the professional parts are weighed heavier than consumer parts. His 16 core " that is a decent 16 core anyway " makes 21 points. But a 20 core makes 93 points then 91 points __________________ ADVenturePO enjoys an easy 120 points boost to his ranking here. Just x2 scores Want to battle me OR other enthusiasts overclockers ... then lets have a fair playing field where we are evenly matched similar hardware. _________________ Look into this please Moderators ... something stinks with these scores ❓ ... no other enthusiast can achieve
keeph8n Posted July 25, 2019 Posted July 25, 2019 Are you two going to get a room or just clutter the forums with nonsense?
Guest Posted July 25, 2019 Posted July 25, 2019 You would be more interesting my pretty There's another heavy 140 weighted one. I did research decent scores for the Enthusiast 40-50 points is amazing. https://hwbot.org/submission/4142512_adventurepo_gpupi___1b_4x_geforce_rtx_2080_ti_0sec_978ms
Members GeorgeStorm Posted July 25, 2019 Members Posted July 25, 2019 Points are based on the popularity of a benchmark with a sharp increase for the top scores. Not really sure what you're complaining about? 1
zeropluszero Posted July 25, 2019 Posted July 25, 2019 subscribed for ludicrious Shane thread. paging @ozzie 2
ozzie Posted July 25, 2019 Posted July 25, 2019 (edited) 16 minutes ago, zeropluszero said: subscribed for ludicrious Shane thread. paging @ozzie zero, seriously , i didnt know you pined for me so much, how sweet lol, you know you should really give up trolling for no reason, , youre not good at it, never were,intentional or not, please dont give up what ever day job you have and what ever dickhead pays you to do it for a living, and to try be a comedian here , youll be more broke than you are already are now ? Edited July 25, 2019 by ozzie
Guest Posted July 25, 2019 Posted July 25, 2019 2 hours ago, GeorgeStorm said: Points are based on the popularity of a benchmark with a sharp increase for the top scores. Not really sure what you're complaining about? No not really. If you look around 5Ghz to 5.5Ghz ghz processor speeds then a good enthusiasts score is like 50 points even with dual gpu's This type of score is weighed heavily ... biggest most expensive parts win. Gpu's like that $8000AU _______ But a score that is still good " better IMO " similar cpu speeds & volt modded gpu's makes 44 points https://hwbot.org/submission/3366844_mat_agnesi_3dmark06_2x_radeon_hd_3870_gddr4_30914_marks It;s just expensive parts ADVenturePO has over every other enthusiast page 1. 230 point advantage 3x scores now. ... and it will go on while he can rort it. Not actually the overclocking I enjoy watching these members do!
Guest Posted July 25, 2019 Posted July 25, 2019 2 hours ago, ozzie said: zero, seriously Ozzie I can handle floppy ears zero easy, thanks for the effort though. Everyone knows others do his OC for him
Members GeorgeStorm Posted July 25, 2019 Members Posted July 25, 2019 You're comparing global and hardware points. Global points often require newer/more expensive hardware as you're being compared to all hardware of that 'type'. The fastest ever score in a benchmark with any 4 GPUs, is given more points than the fastest score in a benchmark with 4 specific GPUs as you're competing against more people. As you can see by the hardware points given on each score. 1
Guest Posted July 25, 2019 Posted July 25, 2019 Those x3 scores are massive George. Anyone here would he happy getting them me included. What I'm comparing to is scores made by Enthusiast page 1. Either side of the points global/ hardware you can see 40's is big. __________ Are we all to buy 4x $2000AU gpu's to stay competitive? to amass that kind of points advantage ^210 we'd need 15x strong scores
Guest Posted July 25, 2019 Posted July 25, 2019 On the other point i was making. He's running unique hardware too, server with 20 cores ... I do know the effort for doing it, should be rewarded. BUT! https://hwbot.org/submission/4034488_adventurepo_cinebench___r15_core_i9_7960x_4383_cb That's easy 2.6K here that processor & most enthusiast would be happy to afford it, does R15 4383. 21 points. Then ol mates 20 core smashes it. 1000 score down R15 & 450% over the top reward https://hwbot.org/submission/3542488_adventurepo_cinebench___r15_xeon_e5_2679_v4_3347_cb
Fasttrack Posted July 25, 2019 Posted July 25, 2019 I am seriously trying to understand what is the issue with this member's submissions. DEEP POCKETS always have a serious advantage. We have had ( and still do ) several cases like this. With the most profound being H20 vs LN2. Others used the servers at their place ( company ) of work to make submissions. No one can and will restrict "deep pockets" from making submissions. 1
Guest Posted July 25, 2019 Posted July 25, 2019 https://www.google.com/search?q=gold+weighing+scales&rlz=1C1CHBF_enAU852AU852&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwijqL-a7c_jAhUk7HMBHWFVClUQ_AUIEigC&biw=1407&bih=747#imgrc=XeQwzONvdRn6XM: ... and you are right. It's deep pockets indeed. While the rest of enthusiasts use potato's. It's fine. Not a fair playing field based on effort or skill. I'll concede that. ___________ Moving along it's a no win.
TerraRaptor Posted July 25, 2019 Posted July 25, 2019 That is living classics - blaming points algorithm for not being good. Honestly, money is also a measure of attitude to this hobby and should be rewarded.
Members GeorgeStorm Posted July 25, 2019 Members Posted July 25, 2019 If you want to get points in those categories then yes. With unusual core counts, a new release can result in relatively easy too scores, and as there's a sharp increase for the top spots, you can end up with a large number of points per score. Global points are done per core count for multithreaded benchmarks, so the fact the r15 is less doesn't matter. Compare 1st with 20 cores to 1st with 4, 1st with 4 is worth more despite is being a much lower score. Money has always played a role in hwbot, one that's difficult to remove. There are still plenty of points to be had without needing the latest and greatest hw 1
TerraRaptor Posted July 25, 2019 Posted July 25, 2019 1 minute ago, avalanche said: It's fine. Not a fair playing field based on effort or skill. I'll concede that Man, to get skill in something you will need to pay with your money and time. Why making drama when someone uses hardware that will get him nice boints? Look from the other side - his investments of thousands $$ will become nothing in next 2-3 years. Just find you own way to get the same points or move to a different league.
Guest Posted July 25, 2019 Posted July 25, 2019 Massive investments? Yeah I don't know ... borrow parts maybe & does a score with it. Think back to a Gtx 580 ... that was $500 retail in Australia. Now $2K for the big Gpu ... inflation or raping. Zero likes that word I bet. _______ Would like to think Enthusiasts deserve their ranking. Some of these dudes I've seen do damn good scores.
Guest Posted July 25, 2019 Posted July 25, 2019 16 minutes ago, GeorgeStorm said: Money has always played a role in hwbot, one that's difficult to remove. There are still plenty of points to be had without needing the latest and greatest hw Your a good guy George ... I'm seeing your points of views ... I'm done here Moving on. Yes money wins ... but that much? If ol mate AdventurePO is 1500 in Enthusiasts he'll be a 1300 on effort. Carry on
Guest Digg_de Posted July 25, 2019 Posted July 25, 2019 2 hours ago, avalanche said: Massive investments? Yeah I don't know ... borrow parts maybe & does a score with it. You can also "buy" 4x RTX 2080 via invoice, bench them and send it back. ?
Guest Posted July 25, 2019 Posted July 25, 2019 Ha Not gonna happen champ. Try and walk the right path aaaaall your life. Cpu no worky RMA ... just no. Do the best with what you have is ...
Fasttrack Posted July 25, 2019 Posted July 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, avalanche said: Ha Not gonna happen champ. Try and walk the right path aaaaall your life. Cpu no worky RMA ... just no. Do the best with what you have is ... STRONGLY AGREE ! BRAVO.
Guest Digg_de Posted July 25, 2019 Posted July 25, 2019 15 minutes ago, avalanche said: Ha Not gonna happen champ. Try and walk the right path aaaaall your life. Cpu no worky RMA ... just no. Do the best with what you have is ... Owning or working in a PC Shop can be a advantage, too. I just mean you dont have to buy all this expensive HW in some reasons. At least when you bench them "stock" w/o any HW Mods.
Fasttrack Posted July 25, 2019 Posted July 25, 2019 A totally meaningless thread. If this and if that. And if you work for Asus or any other vendor ( just like some elite members do ), you have endless resources. Let's close this. 1
Guest Posted July 25, 2019 Posted July 25, 2019 6 minutes ago, Digg_de said: Owning or working in a PC Shop can be a advantage, too. I just mean you dont have to buy all this expensive HW in some reasons. At least when you bench them "stock" w/o any HW Mods. Not what I signed up for my man HWbot thought it was for overclocking. I like effort & I like seeing it in others scores.
Guest Digg_de Posted July 25, 2019 Posted July 25, 2019 1 minute ago, avalanche said: Not what I signed up for my man HWbot thought it was for overclocking. I like effort & I like seeing it in others scores. Absolutly, but unfortunanetly you can't exclude the Pay2Win Part.
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